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Re: Well... darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM
RJ mentioned Demandred as the second Top Forsaken once:
"With the Forsaken, where treachery and backstabbing were an acceptable way of getting ahead, the turnover in the upper ranks was fairly high, though Ishamael, Demandred, Lanfear, Graendal, Semirhage, and later Sammael, were always at the top end of the pyramid."

Therefore it seems doubtful that he is the least intelligent. Besides that, the other Forsaken all consider him very dangerous. Plus, we know e.g. from the Guide that he is a very powerful channeler.

Again, just because we readers don't know yet what Demandred was up to (we just have our theories), naturally doesn't mean that he did nothing.


Just because RJ mentioned him second does not mean that he was #2, he just listed the Top 6 FS ... these were the people most skilled at personal and political survival, and were likely all so close that an open battle between them would have uncertain outcome.

Undoubtedly he's a dangerous man. But for the record Graendal actually believed Semirhage was more dangerous than Demandred until TGS... the fact that she seems surprised that he would openly threaten Semirhage is telling.

Anyway, my opinion of Demandred is that he's plotting from the shadows and will have a spectacular failure, probably ending in an uninspired death... maybe RJ will have him fall off his horse and break his neck
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Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM 1602 Views
Oh you are being unfair! darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM 738 Views
LOL. Are you implying Mesaana killed Asmodean? *NM* Logain - 10/12/2009 07:13:27 PM 279 Views
That would be a funny twist, but in reality I think we all know darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 08:10:16 PM 601 Views
Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM 741 Views
Mesaana was motivated out of... Logain - 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM 662 Views
Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM 252 Views
Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM 697 Views
But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM 600 Views
I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM* fionwe1987 - 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM 269 Views
Or it could just prove darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM 580 Views
Re: Or it could just prove RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 07:00:57 PM 513 Views
I agree, but I think it's about the DO being totally random darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:07:17 PM 598 Views
Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM 535 Views
I don't ever want to find out who Demandred is Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:47:58 PM 539 Views
Imagine how bad it would be if BlackAdder - 11/12/2009 11:22:56 PM 531 Views
I would say... Etzel - 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM 654 Views
he hasn't really done anything lankyevilme - 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM 647 Views
But the point is valid darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 05:32:12 PM 784 Views
I'm pretty sure he did something... Etzel - 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM 636 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure he did something... darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM 519 Views
Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* Etzel - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM 537 Views
Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM 486 Views
I tend to agree Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM 651 Views
I think Demandred is pretty smart... Etzel - 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM 552 Views
of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM 522 Views
Is it smart to take a risk... Etzel - 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM 508 Views
I think your making a lot of assumptions darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM 532 Views
Well... Etzel - 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM 544 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM 674 Views
I agree that Demandred will fail in the end. Etzel - 12/12/2009 11:00:59 AM 534 Views
Either a Channeler or Mat darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:41:09 PM 459 Views
According to RJ... Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM 625 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM 540 Views
Re: makes you wonder Etzel - 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM 508 Views
Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me! darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM 512 Views
Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM 504 Views
It amounts to the same thing darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM 540 Views
Then you could also say... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM 499 Views
no actually you cannot darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM 498 Views
Ah, I give up... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:50:07 PM 500 Views
thanks for your permission darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:53:01 PM 510 Views
To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM* RandAllThor - 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM 289 Views
Yup, especially if she is a higher-up AS in the tower. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 05:57:12 PM 576 Views
Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes... Shannow - 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM 721 Views
Well... Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:55:17 AM 555 Views
That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM 563 Views
I'll respond to someone who wants to say that beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM 616 Views
Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but... Deadsy - 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM 509 Views
Slayer/Luc/Isam is also pretty cool. Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:16:14 PM 515 Views
One theme of tGS was "The Forsaken are actually pretty lame" beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:12:55 PM 557 Views
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