... that this was a (admittedly much abridged) parody of your post on Egwene. I was merely doing what you always do... twisting each situation to show that Egwene is either wrong, or merely correct, never good.
Its a well built house of cards, I'll admit, but that's all it is. You started with a very negative view of Egwene, and are determined to put a negative spin on all her actions.
Let me take just on example, as a point of interest.
You mentioned Egwene's proposed embassy to Rand and criticized her for making the selections based on Ajah, saying that this directly contradicted her message that infighting between the Ajah's and divisions along Ajah lines is wrong.
The utter absurdity of this argument left me speechless for sometime. It was fairly certain you weren't being funny here, and I cannot see how you can actually mean to say this.
By your "logic", if someone makes a call for all of humaity to be united, it is then hypocritical to choose a doctor to perform heart surgery. Anyone should be allowed to, since they're all supposed to be united!
That's absurd. A better analogy would be calling for all nationalities to stand together, but then dividing up jobs by ethnicity. It's as if Woodrow Wilson, in his calls for Americans to unite and not divide along ethnic lines in World War One, then decided to NOT send a German-American as the top American general, because it would offend our allies. He did, in fact, send General Pershing, an German-American, and in the next war, we would also choose a German as our top general, Eisenhower. And that is what Egwene is doing. No one is picking on her for saying "send a Gray" and in fact, both embassies were led by Grays, who did the negotiating. In fact, ELAIDA is the one who did what you are suggesting with your analogy, because her group had a Gray in charge while they were negotiating, but once the mission changed over to transporting a captive male channeler to Tar Valon, command switched to the Ajah that was expert in THAT area. Its a well built house of cards, I'll admit, but that's all it is. You started with a very negative view of Egwene, and are determined to put a negative spin on all her actions.
Let me take just on example, as a point of interest.
You mentioned Egwene's proposed embassy to Rand and criticized her for making the selections based on Ajah, saying that this directly contradicted her message that infighting between the Ajah's and divisions along Ajah lines is wrong.
The utter absurdity of this argument left me speechless for sometime. It was fairly certain you weren't being funny here, and I cannot see how you can actually mean to say this.
By your "logic", if someone makes a call for all of humaity to be united, it is then hypocritical to choose a doctor to perform heart surgery. Anyone should be allowed to, since they're all supposed to be united!
What I fault Egwene for are comments like the idea that Elaida could never be qualified to deal with the Dragon Reborn as Amyrlin, because she was of the inherently hostile and impossible-to-deal-with-Rand Red. And she had actually MET Rand, unlike, oh 99.7 percent of the Tower.
However pointless her hypothetical embassy was, her choices made complete sense. The best negotiator is likely to be a Gray, and this in no way negates her point that the Gray and every other Ajah need to be united.
Again, her point that Elaida's embassy was fundamentally flawed because it was sent by a Red is very valid. Unless you think Rand was a blubbering retard, he definitely would have noticed that the Tower had chosen to replace a Blue who let him run relatively free with a Red he knows mistrusts him.
Again, her point that Elaida's embassy was fundamentally flawed because it was sent by a Red is very valid. Unless you think Rand was a blubbering retard, he definitely would have noticed that the Tower had chosen to replace a Blue who let him run relatively free with a Red he knows mistrusts him.
Oh, yes. He was SO receptive to Siuan.
He never believed that Siuan was letting him run free, and he was constantly wary of her minion Moiraine tying strings to him. He never had the slightest gratitude or affection for her as Amyrlin, and the only opinion Egwene could ever have heard him offer on her was his refusal to go along with her & Moiraine's plan. "You're both fools..." was his verdict on those Blues he loves so well. Whatever the real truth of their mission, Reds have been seen as fanatically anti-male. Nor is it unreasonable to assume that some of Moiraine's paranoia that the Reds may gentle him first and ask questions later was transferred to Rand as well. It certainly leaked into Egwene herself!
So it's not her fault she's prejudiced, she was brought up that way. It doesn't change the essential fact that she's prejudiced, and with less reason than other sisters, who have been bumping heads with the other Ajahs over political stuff and different priorities their whole careers. Egwene has no CAUSE for favoring the Green or being hostile to the Red, but she is anyway. Egwene has never advocated some kind of uniformity among the AS. She even says straight out that rivalry among Ajahs was only to be expected. But enmity and open hostility is what she terms irrational. That she herself has some prejudices is not a sign of hypocricy. She showed herself to be able to rise above that, and she expected the same of the other Aes Sedai.
And that's to the good. As long as she doesn't expect this Ajah differential crap to spill out of the Tower, and now that she's in charge, ignores that stuff.
Cannoli
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
“Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” GK Chesteron
Inde muagdhe Aes Sedai misain ye!
Deus Vult!
*MySmiley*
A review and analysis of Egwene in "The Gathering Storm" (Brace yourselves, kiddies. It's a big 'un)
- 17/12/2009 08:01:44 PM
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How do you find the time to post such long rants all the time? *NM*
- 17/12/2009 08:22:17 PM
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Why don't you tell me when my last one was before saying things like "all the time"? *NM*
- 17/12/2009 09:04:57 PM
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the fact that you have ever post other things this long is bad enough!
- 17/12/2009 11:10:50 PM
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*NM*
Its like 18 Sitters writing Egwene's speech... (aka: How Cannoli is Egwene as he imagines her)
- 17/12/2009 09:44:19 PM
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No wonder you identify with Egwene - you beg the questions like she does.
- 17/12/2009 09:53:23 PM
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I'm fairly certain you noticed...
- 17/12/2009 10:39:10 PM
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Re: I'm fairly certain you noticed...
- 17/12/2009 11:01:14 PM
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Excellent review. The last emotion I thought I'd have for the Aes Sedai was pity, but there you go.
- 17/12/2009 09:55:16 PM
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Your "analysis" is all spin and no substance
- 18/12/2009 04:17:30 AM
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As if you could possibly know that. You admit even spin is too much for you to handle 
- 18/12/2009 05:21:47 AM
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- 18/12/2009 05:21:47 AM
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Re: As if you could possibly know that. You admit even spin is too much for you to handle
- 18/12/2009 10:32:50 AM
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- 18/12/2009 10:32:50 AM
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not that i completely disagree, but, you did gloss over one key plot device.....
- 18/12/2009 07:54:08 PM
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I hate Eggy too, but this was so long I didn't even bother to read it.
- 18/12/2009 10:22:39 PM
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So, my sister just finished the Great Hunt. She also hates Egwene, and randomly checked wikipedia...
- 19/12/2009 07:13:36 AM
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