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Partially agreed... Shadowkiller Send a noteboard - 18/12/2009 10:13:46 PM
Perhaps the distribution would be more Gaussian (bell-shaped) when you consider the whole possible population of channelers rather than just the AS. This is purely speculative, but since in the AoL every possible channeler was found and trained to potential, then perhaps the strength distribution would have been perfectly Gaussian in the AoL.


And the evidence in the books clearly show that the average Aes Sedai isn't close to 50% as strong as the strongest woman.

Heck, the average Aes Sedai is shown to be less than 50% as strong as Egwene.

So I am perfectly happy to accept a perfect Bell Curve in the Age of Legends. But that wouldn't apply to modern channelers.

I agree with you that the Aes Sedai are not distributed around 50%.

I do not agree, at least not from the evidence I've seen, that if you included all modern channelers the distribution would still not be at 50% mean. I think to make a proper survey you would need to count all potential channelers who have never been trained, all Sea Folk, all damane, and any other channeling groups I've forgotten.

(Note 1: I tried to make this point in my first post, but I think bringing up the AoL was a distraction.
Note 2: My count is highly speculative, but I'm not saying this distribution is true, merely possible.)

So to reiterate, if you're only arguing about AS, then I agree. They are, on average, pretty weak. If you're expanding the argument to all female channelers of the Age, then I'm not so sure.
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The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's strength Shannow - 18/12/2009 08:37:55 AM 1607 Views
I always thought the curve was one sided Asha'man Warder - 18/12/2009 01:17:32 PM 909 Views
The Curve only refers to the channeling population, not to non-channelers. Shannow - 18/12/2009 01:56:25 PM 913 Views
I would say that your sample is flawed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/12/2009 05:02:02 PM 1001 Views
well said *NM* darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 05:12:40 PM 474 Views
It doesn't matter... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:02:38 PM 848 Views
But, it sort of does. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/12/2009 10:43:08 PM 920 Views
So you're saying that no modern Aes Sedai are even of average strength? Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:51:01 PM 1033 Views
Are you sure it's the same bell curve from the AoL? BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 11:11:19 PM 972 Views
The Tower is restricted to the middle... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 05:35:03 PM 1074 Views
Two things... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:28:25 PM 924 Views
The culling theory... Phelix - 18/12/2009 09:36:34 PM 861 Views
The culling theory applies to the ENTIRE population, not just Aes Sedai... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:42:31 PM 976 Views
Yes, but Aes Sedai take it to a new level... Phelix - 18/12/2009 09:48:59 PM 1066 Views
Re: Yes, but Aes Sedai take it to a new level... Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:06:15 PM 839 Views
Several more things... fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:26:19 PM 1002 Views
You don't understand your own model... Shannow - 18/12/2009 11:38:05 PM 1041 Views
So RJ was wrong about Bell Curve distribution? darius_sedai - 19/12/2009 06:03:24 PM 909 Views
Re: So RJ was wrong about Bell Curve distribution? Sidious - 19/12/2009 06:10:52 PM 895 Views
Its simple really... fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:15:23 PM 922 Views
So, Aviendha trumps RJ? A woman who, as late as tGS, doesn't know what she's doing with the OP? fionwe1987 - 19/12/2009 06:12:42 PM 882 Views
Age-Related Sample Bias Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 06:41:03 PM 866 Views
I have no problem with that...but it implies that the average woman today isn't at 50% of Lanfear... Shannow - 18/12/2009 09:46:00 PM 983 Views
Partially agreed... Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:13:46 PM 884 Views
Well, the Aes Sedai are the only group that we have detailed strength info about... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:26:48 PM 1025 Views
Sharina is AS ... she'd be dead in a few years if she hadn't gone to the Tower *NM* darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 01:08:20 AM 922 Views
A thought that occured to me, and I'd like your opinion... Phelix - 18/12/2009 07:38:29 PM 865 Views
Well Sharina isn't a sparker and she's the strongest AS darius_sedai - 18/12/2009 07:57:17 PM 881 Views
Yes... Phelix - 18/12/2009 08:01:57 PM 971 Views
Is it just my bad memory or is one of the wondergirls not a sparker? Gher - 18/12/2009 10:12:59 PM 856 Views
I think it's just a bad memory... Phelix - 18/12/2009 10:19:25 PM 865 Views
Easier sulution, and real example. amirebram - 18/12/2009 10:03:20 PM 928 Views
And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:08:40 PM 895 Views
Re: And that is indeed the solution I feel most comfortable with... Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:39:31 AM 1110 Views
Agree, but a little more curvy is better amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:17:16 PM 808 Views
*facepalm* BlackAdder - 18/12/2009 10:13:16 PM 887 Views
That's just the normalized value graphed on a log scale. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:20:41 PM 862 Views
Dude, Seriously? Shadowkiller - 18/12/2009 10:19:25 PM 867 Views
Indeed, and that's why I propose that... Shannow - 18/12/2009 10:31:23 PM 918 Views
So RJ used two separate scales, one actual one relative, to explain the same thing? fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:33:20 PM 863 Views
Yes, "Bell Curve" does not mean Gausian. Or normal distribution. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:24:10 PM 868 Views
I'm sorry, but I've never heard of a non-Gaussian bell curve. Can you prove its existence? *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 03:24:22 AM 482 Views
Maybe people in my field just use the term in a non-technical way. We do things with ... amirebram - 21/12/2009 07:24:43 PM 836 Views
It does to RJ Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 03:12:30 PM 963 Views
Yes, "Bell Curve" does not mean Gausian. Or normal distribution. amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:24:11 PM 845 Views
That's because outliers in IQ tests are excluded form the curve. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/12/2009 11:31:23 PM 492 Views
Really?!?! then what is the definition of a IQ of 200? amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:28:18 PM 1177 Views
You can have IQ's above that... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 05:09:44 AM 899 Views
I said that in the other post and was half torn to pieces *NM* Sidious - 19/12/2009 11:38:25 AM 442 Views
Eh. Ignore the IQ value and draw it on a linear weight scale amirebram - 19/12/2009 11:26:23 PM 854 Views
Re: The One Power Bell Curve: Proof that it is not centered on 50% of the strongest channeler's stre Kieran - 19/12/2009 06:02:34 PM 839 Views
I like this idea Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 04:01:28 PM 1074 Views
Accidental Post *NM* Shadowkiller - 20/12/2009 07:11:09 PM 482 Views
Mathmatically this is very close to the system I proposed in another thread darius_sedai - 27/12/2009 01:23:51 AM 829 Views
Re: The One Power Bell Curve: taura-tierno - 27/12/2009 10:05:33 PM 1000 Views
What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? darius_sedai - 27/12/2009 10:28:13 PM 1193 Views
Re: What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? taura-tierno - 28/12/2009 03:19:14 PM 872 Views
Re: What makes you think Alviarin is "middling"? darius_sedai - 28/12/2009 03:30:44 PM 1086 Views
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