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Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM

I'm not a fan of misquoting in general, or hyperbole.


Nor am I which has been my contention with Shannow.


Fionwe accused me of the opposite - saying that I trust Egwene's opinion too much over Moiraine's. Besides, I've never said that it was crap. I merely stated that you don't know how strong either woman is that stage, which is true, and that Moiraine mentioned several Forsaken as potential candidates who might be overwhelmed. I was focussed more on your erroneous statement that Moiraine said that the two women could defeat Lanfear.


I don't think they could defeat Lanfear. We have proof that she is far too skilled for that! What I said is that the quote shows us that in Raw strength the 2 would be stronger than her by a large enough margin to be considered by Moiraine to be "Overwhelming" ... so was Alivia when she faced Cyndane ... and she could barely hold her own!

I'm pretty sure RJ doesn't know the absolute strengths of the channelers.


I've been saying that for years, it's obvious that he wanted it to be vague so he had the maximum freedom to write.

She thinks Nynaeve alone could come closer than both she and Elayne could against Rand.


She thinks Nynaeve may have been able to split her flows a dozen ways and knows at this point she would no be able to do this

So?


Show's she grown considerably since TSR and is now capable of matching feats incredible skill, something only the strongest channelers could do


That's a huge mass of assumptions. Moghedien was known for her weakness - she says so openly to the Dark One. She never attended Forsaken meetings and only spied on them until she was mindtrapped. That's why she's alive. You've got no proof that Nynaeve is far closer to anything.


Just the fact that she's already as stronge as any sister in the Tower as soon as she begins channeling (TGH). Or that she's nearly as strong as Rand in TSR according to Egwene if you take the quote to mean nothing but strength. If she's not up in the 85%+ range of her strength early on she'd be massively stronger than even Rand.


I think there are equal spaces between Nynaeve - Egwene - Moiraine i.e. one average Sister's strength.


I don't think the evidence supports that. There are Women like Cadsuane, Bode, Nicole, Kerene, Meilyn and Therava all between Moiraine and Egwene, and the weakest of them (that we can map to) is a "Sharp increase" above Moiraine. Then you get at least 1 other woman before you even get to Cadsuane who is probably weaker yet than Bode! From Egwene to Nynaeve we have 3 women we know to be stronger and that margin is undefined. You choose to make it very wide, I think that doesn't match up with any kind of Bell Curve distribution. I also think it's ridiculous to assume RJ would make one of his primary protagonists only "average".

Not true. When asked how many men would qualify for the White Tower, RJ said a slightly higher amount, but then added that because of dexterity, the number would be the same. Therefore they are identical in their capabilities, if not in their exact methods.


That doesn't change what I said. Those men are still stronger than their female counterparts.



I don't really agree. I think saidar is a much more dense power like water, and saidin is like air. Men have larger volumes at their disposal but women have a more concentrated strength. Lanfear went after Rand with shielding at the end of FoH, and he himself said that he was at least as strong as Rahvin at that point.


Now who's got a whole mass of speculation Lanfear had a whole lot more skill at her disposal, and Rand from his own POV was also holding back because he didn't want to kill her!

It's also possible that Lanfear herself was somehow stronger than the 21 level list ('Finn theory or something like a gift from the DO) .... far fetched I'll give you ... making comparisons to her irrelevant!


RJ rubbished the Finn theory, and I don't think Lanfear was unnatural.

I know, I was being a smart ass
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One Power strength - critical analysis of previous posts and some further ideas Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:59:24 AM 2697 Views
I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add... Shannow - 03/01/2010 02:58:05 PM 1352 Views
Re: I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add... Sidious - 03/01/2010 04:37:56 PM 1190 Views
where is this phantom quote of Egwene "not standing a chance" darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 1054 Views
Here's the real quote darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:38:59 PM 1082 Views
Well that quote perfectly illustrates the skewed way in which you interpret the evidence... Shannow - 03/01/2010 06:18:22 PM 1114 Views
I also think the quote is specific Sidious - 03/01/2010 06:34:38 PM 1096 Views
Skill not Strength is the key that and the potential that another FS was with her darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:51:46 PM 1081 Views
Bah Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:13:01 PM 1033 Views
Who's arguing that? darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:34:21 PM 1003 Views
What ARE you arguing? Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:43:06 PM 1052 Views
Precisely... Shannow - 03/01/2010 07:56:24 PM 997 Views
Just like Asmos killer darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 08:00:21 PM 1126 Views
That there is far more to strength in her quote! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 08:05:20 PM 943 Views
Re: That there is far more to strength in her quote! Sidious - 04/01/2010 09:40:05 AM 1156 Views
and where do I ever say Elayne is only a small step below Moghedien? darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:08:37 PM 1069 Views
You more than imply it with your own list Sidious - 04/01/2010 03:39:06 PM 1082 Views
and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:05:54 PM 1058 Views
Re: and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:46:45 PM 1469 Views
there are no absolutes darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 08:49:46 PM 1489 Views
I agree with Darius Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 07:49:10 PM 939 Views
darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:46:12 PM 1111 Views
Calm down, please... Shannow - 03/01/2010 07:11:11 PM 1161 Views
I'm not upset darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:33:00 PM 1059 Views
Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point Shadowkiller - 03/01/2010 03:09:55 PM 1208 Views
Re: Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point Sidious - 03/01/2010 04:39:25 PM 1119 Views
Which makes sense Ryan - 03/01/2010 05:15:24 PM 1023 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:09:22 PM 986 Views
All I'm saying is that information on the internet should Ryan - 04/01/2010 06:08:27 AM 992 Views
I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:16:39 PM 1292 Views
Lanfear quote darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:37:50 PM 1057 Views
Read RJ's quote again... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:13:42 PM 1003 Views
Nothing is perfect darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:33:44 PM 1177 Views
Re: I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post Sidious - 03/01/2010 06:31:09 PM 1216 Views
It's actually not that complicated ... simple math actually darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:08:52 PM 1064 Views
Yes, but to think that RJ put that much effort into it is improbable Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:19:13 PM 1107 Views
I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:56:17 PM 1011 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! Sidious - 04/01/2010 09:50:38 AM 1135 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM 1184 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! Sidious - 04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM 1058 Views
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:09:15 PM 1006 Views
Dude Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:21:28 PM 956 Views
Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 06:35:03 PM 1034 Views
Re: Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:49:42 PM 977 Views
Then how can you know? darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 08:17:46 PM 1088 Views
A reply... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:02:33 PM 1019 Views
The Tower sample is skewed allright, but to the upper side of the strength range... Shannow - 03/01/2010 06:36:45 PM 1205 Views
I agree - Aes Sedai are stronger in the Power Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:26:45 PM 1407 Views
Re: A reply... Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:09:55 PM 1133 Views
I think distance is related to Strength darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:21:46 PM 1043 Views
Maybe, but to what conclusion? Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:29:39 PM 1010 Views
OOps, missed part of the quote ... sorry about that! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:59:20 PM 988 Views
Re: A reply... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 08:38:07 PM 1216 Views
Re: A reply... Sidious - 04/01/2010 10:10:13 AM 1155 Views
So many double standards. fionwe1987 - 04/01/2010 09:02:23 PM 1068 Views
I agree with most of this lilltempest - 03/01/2010 08:19:37 PM 1159 Views
Re: I agree with most of this Sidious - 04/01/2010 10:19:12 AM 1089 Views
amusing side note darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:22:39 AM 1006 Views
Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like... Shannow - 04/01/2010 07:03:51 AM 927 Views
Re: Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like... darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:29:47 PM 1009 Views
It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG? Tom - 05/01/2010 12:56:41 AM 1532 Views
Re: It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG? taura-tierno - 05/01/2010 07:33:21 AM 1111 Views
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