Active Users:439 Time:18/09/2025 09:07:16 PM
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM

I'm not a fan of misquoting in general, or hyperbole.


Nor am I which has been my contention with Shannow.


Fionwe accused me of the opposite - saying that I trust Egwene's opinion too much over Moiraine's. Besides, I've never said that it was crap. I merely stated that you don't know how strong either woman is that stage, which is true, and that Moiraine mentioned several Forsaken as potential candidates who might be overwhelmed. I was focussed more on your erroneous statement that Moiraine said that the two women could defeat Lanfear.


I don't think they could defeat Lanfear. We have proof that she is far too skilled for that! What I said is that the quote shows us that in Raw strength the 2 would be stronger than her by a large enough margin to be considered by Moiraine to be "Overwhelming" ... so was Alivia when she faced Cyndane ... and she could barely hold her own!

I'm pretty sure RJ doesn't know the absolute strengths of the channelers.


I've been saying that for years, it's obvious that he wanted it to be vague so he had the maximum freedom to write.

She thinks Nynaeve alone could come closer than both she and Elayne could against Rand.


She thinks Nynaeve may have been able to split her flows a dozen ways and knows at this point she would no be able to do this

So?


Show's she grown considerably since TSR and is now capable of matching feats incredible skill, something only the strongest channelers could do


That's a huge mass of assumptions. Moghedien was known for her weakness - she says so openly to the Dark One. She never attended Forsaken meetings and only spied on them until she was mindtrapped. That's why she's alive. You've got no proof that Nynaeve is far closer to anything.


Just the fact that she's already as stronge as any sister in the Tower as soon as she begins channeling (TGH). Or that she's nearly as strong as Rand in TSR according to Egwene if you take the quote to mean nothing but strength. If she's not up in the 85%+ range of her strength early on she'd be massively stronger than even Rand.


I think there are equal spaces between Nynaeve - Egwene - Moiraine i.e. one average Sister's strength.


I don't think the evidence supports that. There are Women like Cadsuane, Bode, Nicole, Kerene, Meilyn and Therava all between Moiraine and Egwene, and the weakest of them (that we can map to) is a "Sharp increase" above Moiraine. Then you get at least 1 other woman before you even get to Cadsuane who is probably weaker yet than Bode! From Egwene to Nynaeve we have 3 women we know to be stronger and that margin is undefined. You choose to make it very wide, I think that doesn't match up with any kind of Bell Curve distribution. I also think it's ridiculous to assume RJ would make one of his primary protagonists only "average".

Not true. When asked how many men would qualify for the White Tower, RJ said a slightly higher amount, but then added that because of dexterity, the number would be the same. Therefore they are identical in their capabilities, if not in their exact methods.


That doesn't change what I said. Those men are still stronger than their female counterparts.



I don't really agree. I think saidar is a much more dense power like water, and saidin is like air. Men have larger volumes at their disposal but women have a more concentrated strength. Lanfear went after Rand with shielding at the end of FoH, and he himself said that he was at least as strong as Rahvin at that point.


Now who's got a whole mass of speculation Lanfear had a whole lot more skill at her disposal, and Rand from his own POV was also holding back because he didn't want to kill her!

It's also possible that Lanfear herself was somehow stronger than the 21 level list ('Finn theory or something like a gift from the DO) .... far fetched I'll give you ... making comparisons to her irrelevant!


RJ rubbished the Finn theory, and I don't think Lanfear was unnatural.

I know, I was being a smart ass
Domani Drag Queen in the White Tower ... Aran'gar watch out!
Reply to message
One Power strength - critical analysis of previous posts and some further ideas Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:59:24 AM 2541 Views
I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add... Shannow - 03/01/2010 02:58:05 PM 1213 Views
Re: I support your view, with maybe a few comments to add... Sidious - 03/01/2010 04:37:56 PM 1018 Views
where is this phantom quote of Egwene "not standing a chance" darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:20:20 PM 913 Views
Here's the real quote darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:38:59 PM 969 Views
Well that quote perfectly illustrates the skewed way in which you interpret the evidence... Shannow - 03/01/2010 06:18:22 PM 949 Views
I also think the quote is specific Sidious - 03/01/2010 06:34:38 PM 940 Views
Skill not Strength is the key that and the potential that another FS was with her darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:51:46 PM 976 Views
Bah Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:13:01 PM 919 Views
Who's arguing that? darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:34:21 PM 868 Views
What ARE you arguing? Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:43:06 PM 943 Views
Precisely... Shannow - 03/01/2010 07:56:24 PM 877 Views
Just like Asmos killer darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 08:00:21 PM 959 Views
That there is far more to strength in her quote! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 08:05:20 PM 818 Views
Re: That there is far more to strength in her quote! Sidious - 04/01/2010 09:40:05 AM 1034 Views
and where do I ever say Elayne is only a small step below Moghedien? darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:08:37 PM 924 Views
You more than imply it with your own list Sidious - 04/01/2010 03:39:06 PM 951 Views
and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:05:54 PM 883 Views
Re: and you are fixated on simple strength to the exclusion of everything else Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:46:45 PM 1276 Views
there are no absolutes darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 08:49:46 PM 1329 Views
I agree with Darius Sedai. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 06/01/2010 07:49:10 PM 814 Views
darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:46:12 PM 960 Views
Calm down, please... Shannow - 03/01/2010 07:11:11 PM 1017 Views
I'm not upset darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:33:00 PM 913 Views
Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point Shadowkiller - 03/01/2010 03:09:55 PM 1068 Views
Re: Tiny Unimportant Objection to "Bell Curve" Point Sidious - 03/01/2010 04:39:25 PM 971 Views
Which makes sense Ryan - 03/01/2010 05:15:24 PM 910 Views
Really? fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:09:22 PM 845 Views
All I'm saying is that information on the internet should Ryan - 04/01/2010 06:08:27 AM 877 Views
I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:16:39 PM 1151 Views
Lanfear quote darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 05:37:50 PM 962 Views
Read RJ's quote again... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:13:42 PM 877 Views
Nothing is perfect darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 06:33:44 PM 1033 Views
Re: I've got a slightly revised opinion than my last post Sidious - 03/01/2010 06:31:09 PM 1080 Views
It's actually not that complicated ... simple math actually darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:08:52 PM 938 Views
Yes, but to think that RJ put that much effort into it is improbable Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:19:13 PM 949 Views
I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:56:17 PM 862 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! Sidious - 04/01/2010 09:50:38 AM 993 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:26:10 PM 1059 Views
Re: I'm being harsh with one poster who continues to mis-quote things! Sidious - 04/01/2010 03:52:19 PM 924 Views
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:09:15 PM 869 Views
Dude Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:21:28 PM 824 Views
Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 06:35:03 PM 875 Views
Re: Dude, please go back to Fionwe's post Sidious - 04/01/2010 06:49:42 PM 877 Views
Then how can you know? darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 08:17:46 PM 962 Views
A reply... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 06:02:33 PM 885 Views
The Tower sample is skewed allright, but to the upper side of the strength range... Shannow - 03/01/2010 06:36:45 PM 1035 Views
I agree - Aes Sedai are stronger in the Power Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:26:45 PM 1244 Views
Re: A reply... Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:09:55 PM 999 Views
I think distance is related to Strength darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:21:46 PM 921 Views
Maybe, but to what conclusion? Sidious - 03/01/2010 07:29:39 PM 898 Views
OOps, missed part of the quote ... sorry about that! darius_sedai - 03/01/2010 07:59:20 PM 847 Views
Re: A reply... fionwe1987 - 03/01/2010 08:38:07 PM 1032 Views
Re: A reply... Sidious - 04/01/2010 10:10:13 AM 1027 Views
So many double standards. fionwe1987 - 04/01/2010 09:02:23 PM 914 Views
I agree with most of this lilltempest - 03/01/2010 08:19:37 PM 1001 Views
Re: I agree with most of this Sidious - 04/01/2010 10:19:12 AM 940 Views
amusing side note darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 05:22:39 AM 871 Views
Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like... Shannow - 04/01/2010 07:03:51 AM 807 Views
Re: Which is exactly what I envisage the AOL distribution to have looked like... darius_sedai - 04/01/2010 03:29:47 PM 884 Views
It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG? Tom - 05/01/2010 12:56:41 AM 1368 Views
Re: It may sound silly, but did you look at One Power values in the Wheel of Time CCG? taura-tierno - 05/01/2010 07:33:21 AM 967 Views
Back to Messageboard Post New Thread Search Help Stats Rules

Reply to Message

Block Quote Paragraph Quote
Formatting
Smiley Codes