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Sidious Send a noteboard - 07/01/2010 08:51:15 PM
Elayne doesn't have an angreal in that scene, though she is linked to Renaille and Merilille. Both of those women are not of great strength. Merilille cannot Travel, and Renaille was too weak to be included in the circle that used the Bowl.

Yet, she says she can lay waste to the palace. Something Nynaeve thinks Alivia can do, and no one else (at that point, Nynaeve wasn't at full strength).

If Elayne plus two moderately weak women can match Alivia, I have strong doubts if they cannot beat Rand. Proves again to me that Elayne is closer to the Forsaken in strength than the AS.


Strength of circle = Elayne (50) + Merilille (20) + Renaille (20) = 90

*drumroll* ... I estimate Alivia to be at about 90. Nynaeve actually thinks that Alivia can only tear down half the Sun Palace ;) Taim can destroy the farm as far as the eye can see and I think his strength is similar to Alivia's.

Ugh Fionwe... you disturbed the peace by starting a strength debate. I loathe you and admire you. Damn you man.
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Is Rand logical when he estimates female danger? Sidious - 07/01/2010 03:34:05 PM 1737 Views
Basically you have to be ready for anything! darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 03:45:31 PM 1069 Views
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Miscommunication seems to be a major theme of the series *NM* darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 07:17:16 PM 516 Views
As well as missed opportunities. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 09:27:56 PM 995 Views
yes, the Amyrlin story line could have been wrapped up much earlier! darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:55:30 PM 1124 Views
Yeah, I really wish his vision had been pushed. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 10:16:15 PM 931 Views
ROFL darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 01:01:03 AM 891 Views
Re: ROFL RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 02:43:50 PM 942 Views
For a major theme, it sure is surprising Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:10:22 AM 989 Views
really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 04:53:48 AM 936 Views
Re: really? miscommunication seems to be woven into just about every sentence Wotmaniac Reborn - 08/01/2010 04:10:04 PM 1026 Views
Re: Is Rand logical when he estimates female danger? Datakim - 07/01/2010 03:48:14 PM 1103 Views
Thanks for pointing to that Taim incident... its another proof... fionwe1987 - 07/01/2010 04:15:33 PM 1083 Views
I always like to think that Egwene, Elayne and Aviendha Linked can match Rand. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 05:26:35 PM 993 Views
Those three... fionwe1987 - 07/01/2010 05:35:24 PM 952 Views
I think this is probably close darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 07:19:40 PM 1117 Views
Sidious - 07/01/2010 08:51:15 PM 1118 Views
HA! fionwe1987 - 07/01/2010 09:01:14 PM 1083 Views
Re: HA! Sidious - 08/01/2010 11:37:06 AM 1102 Views
Re: HA! fionwe1987 - 08/01/2010 04:21:01 PM 919 Views
d'oh ... you've got him there darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 05:35:15 PM 852 Views
Hmm... Sidious - 09/01/2010 03:02:04 PM 922 Views
Re: Hmm... darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 04:47:05 PM 1026 Views
Re: Hmm... Sidious - 09/01/2010 05:06:06 PM 1040 Views
as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 06:20:26 PM 1143 Views
Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose Sidious - 09/01/2010 07:32:57 PM 3276 Views
Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 09:05:01 PM 1129 Views
Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose Sidious - 09/01/2010 09:15:32 PM 1242 Views
Re: as we've discussed in the past, it's very loose darius_sedai - 10/01/2010 02:06:09 AM 1050 Views
There are issues, of course! fionwe1987 - 09/01/2010 06:17:08 PM 1269 Views
Re: There are issues, of course! Sidious - 09/01/2010 07:18:03 PM 1212 Views
I think I fall in between you guys darius_sedai - 09/01/2010 08:46:58 PM 1135 Views
Getting tired of this merry go round, but here we go again... Shannow - 07/01/2010 09:08:59 PM 1016 Views
Don't get on it! It causes insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 09:29:15 PM 935 Views
d'uh darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 09:57:30 PM 1010 Views
For the last time! fionwe1987 - 07/01/2010 09:50:16 PM 1200 Views
it's about EFFECTIVE strength Fionwe (jk) darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 10:05:48 PM 887 Views
I don't think they were that bad back then, but still... fionwe1987 - 07/01/2010 10:11:46 PM 996 Views
and he's gone out of his way IMO to show that it's a stupid darius_sedai - 07/01/2010 10:41:03 PM 1056 Views
Re: I don't think they were that bad back then, but still... Sidious - 08/01/2010 11:38:48 AM 903 Views
I'd actually go with Elayne in matters of battle. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 02:47:34 PM 1021 Views
Wow, I wasn't expecting that Sidious - 08/01/2010 02:55:53 PM 1101 Views
I'm not too impressed with the Forsaken so far. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 03:30:43 PM 911 Views
I'm tempted to go with Taim too, but... fionwe1987 - 08/01/2010 04:25:52 PM 973 Views
If Elayne had wanted Taim dead, he and his minions would have been dead darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 05:41:29 PM 1040 Views
The reverse would be true too, though... fionwe1987 - 08/01/2010 05:50:02 PM 914 Views
But she just heard Taim say to basically stand down darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 06:05:43 PM 1003 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 08/01/2010 08:53:11 PM 1179 Views
Ah but Elayne also knew they knew Rand wouldn't allow it darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 10:40:45 PM 1025 Views
That whole lack of communication thing made my eye twitch. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 08/01/2010 11:00:25 PM 1047 Views
or just painfully stupid! darius_sedai - 08/01/2010 11:10:37 PM 871 Views
Re: But... Heiko - 10/01/2010 03:20:12 AM 1056 Views
Re: Is Rand logical when he estimates female danger? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 07/01/2010 05:13:48 PM 914 Views
I think he is illogical towards all danger, regardless of gender. amirebram - 07/01/2010 06:39:37 PM 928 Views
Do fat kids run marathons? No. And no Rand isn't logical when he estimates female danger. *NM* callandor1000 - 07/01/2010 06:44:08 PM 578 Views
It's all kind of irrelevant. Cannoli - 08/01/2010 11:28:46 PM 1208 Views
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