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and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM
Pardon me if this has been stated already, but I think of it more like they are just aging faster while under the Oath Rod's influence.

For example - Let's say there are two woman who unbound might live until 700...

One takes the Oaths when she's 20 and she passes away around 350.
The other takes the Oaths at 300 and she lives another 200 years (half of her remaining lifespan) until she's 500.

In this case, the Oath Rod would never kill anyone on the spot. I can't imagine Egwene would champion having all the older novices join the tower and become Aes Sedai if the Oath Rod would kill them.



Also seems unlikely that very young AS would have been bound unless they committed some horrible crime. Given AS were considered "young" when they were over 200 and many were given warnings and/or alternative punishments for early infractions (Balthemel and Moghedien both had been disciplined or warned without being Bound) it seems doubtful that an AS would have even been bound until they were well into their late "youth" (mid-200s), and if there was any chance that someone had multiple Bindings this would have been a death sentence!
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2972 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1541 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1477 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1343 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1346 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1457 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1344 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1383 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1281 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1281 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 1163 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1289 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1326 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1297 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1350 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 1100 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 1114 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 534 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 1105 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 989 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1307 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 1183 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 538 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 1125 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 1118 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1227 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 1162 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 1223 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 1011 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 1142 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 573 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 1199 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 1170 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 1167 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 1028 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 555 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 1067 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 527 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 537 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1284 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 1191 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 869 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 556 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 553 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1310 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 1077 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1374 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1209 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1289 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 962 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1060 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 1123 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 1099 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 1141 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 1167 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 515 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1263 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1288 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 1070 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 1080 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 1017 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1296 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 1084 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 485 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 1182 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 941 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 1110 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 1128 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 1222 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 1084 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 504 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 1124 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1482 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 1049 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 523 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1424 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1256 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 1043 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 1139 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 1136 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 526 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 998 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 1170 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 1191 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 978 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 1174 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 1061 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 975 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1347 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 1012 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 1165 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 1070 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 1092 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 568 Views
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