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I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM
First, let's all agree that Mesaana is still in the White Tower. [deleted]
And, let's agree that she is posing as an AS (I know this is a debatable point, but we need to assume she is for this discussion to have any meaning).


But why should we assume that? If she masquerades as a novice she could still be in the Tower yet would not be required to swear the Three Oaths. Haven't we seen her dressed in a plain white dress in one of the Forsaken meetings (either in tGS or KoD). Pretending to be a novice would have several advantages, just as Egwene herself has discovered - greater freedom of movement, having other AS be less careful in what they say around her, and she could more easily keep an eye on Egwene.
To confuse the BA she may be wearing normal clothes when meeting with them.

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for the record, I agree with you that she's at least playing Novice part-time. The plain white dress and no jewelry is mentioned in Graendal's POV in the TGS Prologue.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2511 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1166 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1060 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 933 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 916 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1043 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 925 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 986 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 863 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 888 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 708 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 883 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 936 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 894 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 897 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 690 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 682 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 345 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 705 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 587 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 855 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 690 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 352 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 735 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 719 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 820 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 733 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 755 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 600 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 742 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 381 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 796 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 752 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 739 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 648 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 339 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 664 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 310 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 339 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 836 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 771 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 482 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 353 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 352 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 900 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 645 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 880 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 834 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 875 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 569 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 638 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 701 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 691 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 746 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 793 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 325 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 845 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 836 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 664 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 687 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 589 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 879 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 677 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 290 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 775 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 551 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 700 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 710 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 795 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 665 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 293 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 731 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 977 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 644 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 337 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 999 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 774 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 614 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 738 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 721 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 323 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 605 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 716 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 798 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 592 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 755 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 622 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 567 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 939 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 630 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 725 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 674 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 673 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 375 Views
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