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Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM
First, let's all agree that Mesaana is still in the White Tower. [deleted]
And, let's agree that she is posing as an AS (I know this is a debatable point, but we need to assume she is for this discussion to have any meaning).


But why should we assume that? If she masquerades as a novice she could still be in the Tower yet would not be required to swear the Three Oaths. Haven't we seen her dressed in a plain white dress in one of the Forsaken meetings (either in tGS or KoD). Pretending to be a novice would have several advantages, just as Egwene herself has discovered - greater freedom of movement, having other AS be less careful in what they say around her, and she could more easily keep an eye on Egwene.
To confuse the BA she may be wearing normal clothes when meeting with them.

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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2802 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1436 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1362 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1224 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1220 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1340 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1227 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1269 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1167 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1166 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 997 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1181 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1217 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1184 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1201 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 986 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 981 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 470 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 993 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 878 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1151 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 1049 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 479 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 1012 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 995 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1095 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 1036 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 1068 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 887 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 1030 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 503 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 1088 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 1016 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 1048 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 917 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 488 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 952 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 448 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 472 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1165 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 1080 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 756 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 497 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 478 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1162 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 959 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1219 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1104 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1165 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 846 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 926 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 1008 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 986 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 1030 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 1056 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 454 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1149 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1119 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 952 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 972 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 884 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1171 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 964 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 415 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 1057 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 829 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 968 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 998 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 1068 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 950 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 418 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 1013 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1356 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 933 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 463 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1294 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1125 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 909 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 1027 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 1018 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 460 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 891 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 1038 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 1085 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 869 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 1049 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 912 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 860 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1235 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 878 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 1033 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 951 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 957 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 507 Views
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