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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM
The only way I could see this working, is if Rand kneels, and then instantly (before rumours can spread of his submission) does something to clearly and openly bind Tuon to him, showing evryone that he is not a slave of the Seanchan. Anything else would simply end up costing him too much.


I think that the reasons you gave, plus others, are enough evidence to support the idea that he will both bow to Tuon and Bind her to him in the same meeting.

I actually think the order will be reversed - he will convince her to join his alliance, and then bow to her in thanks and to honour the way she has kept her lands safe for the inhabitants (damane aside).
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Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Yondaime - 16/02/2010 07:03:12 PM 2414 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Gnosis18 - 16/02/2010 07:07:51 PM 1505 Views
Like I said below.... GateKeeper - 16/02/2010 07:33:59 PM 1271 Views
I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Cannoli - 16/02/2010 08:24:20 PM 1447 Views
Yeah, Rand doesn't have many options left Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:26 PM 1173 Views
Ignore this ... double post.... Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:35 PM 1126 Views
So you think him submitting to the Seanchan is a good thing? lilltempest - 17/02/2010 07:25:13 PM 1444 Views
It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 17/02/2010 11:03:22 PM 1276 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 17/02/2010 11:41:11 PM 1195 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM 1141 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 18/02/2010 03:38:04 AM 1249 Views
Perhaps if they reform, other rulers will accept them. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:59:16 AM 1197 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:18:35 PM 1293 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. orius - 18/02/2010 07:18:44 AM 1181 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Datakim - 18/02/2010 01:22:49 PM 1188 Views
Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 18/02/2010 02:41:07 PM 1175 Views
As I said - all of Randland's political systems have strengths and weaknesses. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:46:40 PM 1057 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? orius - 19/02/2010 07:48:07 AM 1214 Views
I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:23:22 PM 1200 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 06:13:08 PM 1110 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 07:37:25 PM 1222 Views
the entire system of Seekers isn't an abuse of power? Bethamin winds up fleeing due to her fear of darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 12:13:52 AM 1224 Views
Agree Skeeve the Great - 20/02/2010 01:04:26 AM 1246 Views
Re: Agree Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:46:03 PM 1147 Views
No, they're the only group that seems to pay more than lip service to the concept of responsibility Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:37:58 PM 1146 Views
You asked for an example of abuse of power. The Seekers are a clear abuse no better than any darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 04:42:06 PM 1505 Views
Thanks for the perspective of outsiders and the behavior of a Darkfriend. THAT's good info! Cannoli - 24/02/2010 01:26:39 PM 1443 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Sidious - 19/02/2010 04:27:13 PM 1081 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 05:41:08 PM 1087 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Datakim - 19/02/2010 05:41:53 PM 1321 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 09:51:36 PM 1288 Views
I think it's a false prophecy randfandom - 17/02/2010 12:39:23 AM 1323 Views
"Bow, or be bowed." *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/02/2010 03:39:04 PM 682 Views
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