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Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM
The only way I could see this working, is if Rand kneels, and then instantly (before rumours can spread of his submission) does something to clearly and openly bind Tuon to him, showing evryone that he is not a slave of the Seanchan. Anything else would simply end up costing him too much.


I think that the reasons you gave, plus others, are enough evidence to support the idea that he will both bow to Tuon and Bind her to him in the same meeting.

I actually think the order will be reversed - he will convince her to join his alliance, and then bow to her in thanks and to honour the way she has kept her lands safe for the inhabitants (damane aside).
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Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Yondaime - 16/02/2010 07:03:12 PM 2371 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? Gnosis18 - 16/02/2010 07:07:51 PM 1465 Views
Like I said below.... GateKeeper - 16/02/2010 07:33:59 PM 1227 Views
I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Cannoli - 16/02/2010 08:24:20 PM 1400 Views
Yeah, Rand doesn't have many options left Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:26 PM 1123 Views
Ignore this ... double post.... Yondaime - 16/02/2010 09:13:35 PM 1080 Views
So you think him submitting to the Seanchan is a good thing? lilltempest - 17/02/2010 07:25:13 PM 1391 Views
It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 17/02/2010 11:03:22 PM 1234 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 17/02/2010 11:41:11 PM 1139 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 03:23:39 AM 1106 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Datakim - 18/02/2010 03:38:04 AM 1200 Views
Perhaps if they reform, other rulers will accept them. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:59:16 AM 1162 Views
Re: It's WoT. You win by surrendering. Metaphysical judo, if you will. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:18:35 PM 1250 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. orius - 18/02/2010 07:18:44 AM 1130 Views
Re: I lean towards somethng like this as a result of the end of tGS. Datakim - 18/02/2010 01:22:49 PM 1136 Views
Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 18/02/2010 02:41:07 PM 1125 Views
As I said - all of Randland's political systems have strengths and weaknesses. Lord Haart - 18/02/2010 05:46:40 PM 1015 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? orius - 19/02/2010 07:48:07 AM 1165 Views
I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 03:23:22 PM 1138 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 06:13:08 PM 1061 Views
Re: I've been saying since wotmania that they are no worse than anyone else. Cannoli - 19/02/2010 07:37:25 PM 1184 Views
the entire system of Seekers isn't an abuse of power? Bethamin winds up fleeing due to her fear of darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 12:13:52 AM 1179 Views
Agree Skeeve the Great - 20/02/2010 01:04:26 AM 1207 Views
Re: Agree Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:46:03 PM 1091 Views
No, they're the only group that seems to pay more than lip service to the concept of responsibility Cannoli - 20/02/2010 03:37:58 PM 1094 Views
You asked for an example of abuse of power. The Seekers are a clear abuse no better than any darius_sedai - 20/02/2010 04:42:06 PM 1466 Views
Thanks for the perspective of outsiders and the behavior of a Darkfriend. THAT's good info! Cannoli - 24/02/2010 01:26:39 PM 1385 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Sidious - 19/02/2010 04:27:13 PM 1037 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Skeeve the Great - 19/02/2010 05:41:08 PM 1044 Views
Re: Why everyone's loving Seanchan? Datakim - 19/02/2010 05:41:53 PM 1273 Views
Re: Will Rand bow to the Crystal Throne? RugbyPlayingAshaman - 16/02/2010 09:51:36 PM 1253 Views
I think it's a false prophecy randfandom - 17/02/2010 12:39:23 AM 1288 Views
"Bow, or be bowed." *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/02/2010 03:39:04 PM 660 Views
Submit to Fortuona Lohikaarme - 02/03/2010 10:02:31 AM 1078 Views
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