Community Messageboard 3: I wasn't talking about a particular war. I'm talking about my class.. by Aviendha

I wasn't talking about a particular war. I'm talking about my class.. Aviendha - 26/04/2004 06:55:53 PM

Didn't this happen in 1989 (not sure about the exact year, could be '8? There wasn't a war movement then, right?

...so the time period isn't really relevant...I don't really know when it was or if there was a war movement (I was about 5 years old ).

If peace were established, these incidents (although, I wonder if these count legally as atrocities) would stop.

Well, obviously. The question is how to achieve that peace.

I suppose the peace camp would suggest that both sides restrain themselves and return to the table. I think, however, right now, there is a feeling that the peace process is dead. Also, the backing for the withdrawal plan by the U.S. probably will not be accepteable to the Palestinians.

That's a good idea. But you've got to think logistics, too. First of all, they've been to the talking table a million times. They feel so strongly on some issues that they absolutely will not give in on them. So they continue to fight over it.

Saying "let's talk about it" isn't enough to solve the problem. It has been tried again and again to no avail. When you try somethinga million times and it doesn't work, it's time to try something new.

And second...well, there isn't a second of all

What is another peaceful solution? I don't have the answer to that. After all, it's the original question in my first reply

I would add that there is no war alternative where this particular conflict is concerned, so (political & economic) pressure and intermediaries might have to be applied.

Sanctions, pressure from other countries (not just the US or Arab world)...some sort of combination that gets these leaders thinking. Those are war alternatives. Education is another. If a plan can be devised from these sorts of things, and it saves lives, that would be awesome. How and what do you implement?

Also, what do you do when you can't negotiate? Remember Chamberlain achieved "Peace in our time" by negotiating with Hitler...some leaders are just mad. I'm not saying that is the case with Sharon or Arafat.

I don't expect you to have a definite answer, I mean, I don't either. I just mean to think aloud about them, not to try and get an answer. Of course, if you have one, that's good too

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That's a good point - I guess I did

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Blair is incredibly well respected here excalibur - 26/04/2004 12:27:03 PM 8 Views

Seems odd as a contrast with over here snoopster - 26/04/2004 12:30:15 PM 11 Views

heheh. Aviendha - 26/04/2004 12:50:47 PM 8 Views

It's the same anywhere excalibur - 26/04/2004 01:04:25 PM 8 Views

Did anyone else find this bit amusing? excalibur - 26/04/2004 11:56:26 AM 30 Views

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True, but what principles have changed? excalibur - 26/04/2004 12:19:30 PM 10 Views

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No, you're right. aerocontrols - 26/04/2004 12:38:39 PM 13 Views

However, he has forced Blair to abandon his own position, right? *NM* Monotonous Mantra - 27/04/2004 07:55:26 AM 2 Views

Plus snoopster - 26/04/2004 12:28:24 PM 6 Views

That's always been the case excalibur - 26/04/2004 12:37:55 PM 10 Views

But this time snoopster - 27/04/2004 04:22:21 AM 4 Views

We are discussing that in my Intl Security class. Aviendha - 26/04/2004 12:53:32 PM 23 Views

Atrocities such as...? Monotonous Mantra - 26/04/2004 01:42:38 PM 18 Views

I gave Saddam as an example... Aviendha - 26/04/2004 02:01:45 PM 14 Views

I was wondering if you meant Saddam or Israel-Palestine Monotonous Mantra - 26/04/2004 03:07:29 PM 12 Views

I wasn't talking about a particular war. I'm talking about my class.. Aviendha - 26/04/2004 06:55:53 PM 10 Views

Re: I wasn't talking about a particular war. I'm talking about my class.. Monotonous Mantra - 27/04/2004 07:29:32 AM 3 Views

Re: I gave Saddam as an example... the kumquat warrior - 27/04/2004 12:32:10 AM 9 Views

Re: I gave Saddam as an example... Aviendha - 27/04/2004 07:56:36 AM 7 Views

Here's one... aerocontrols - 26/04/2004 02:11:10 PM 15 Views

Thanks for the link and address *NM* Monotonous Mantra - 26/04/2004 03:08:16 PM 2 Views

Yes, I did Moridin_2000 - 26/04/2004 03:36:22 PM 11 Views

Bush is the only US president aerocontrols - 26/04/2004 12:29:08 PM 30 Views

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That's what I'm saying though ... excalibur - 26/04/2004 12:35:04 PM 19 Views

It has to do with the policy reversal Monotonous Mantra - 26/04/2004 12:38:35 PM 21 Views

Re: Bush is the only US president p hart - 26/04/2004 02:51:45 PM 13 Views

... aerocontrols - 26/04/2004 03:27:18 PM 14 Views

and yet.... wads - 26/04/2004 05:17:07 PM 12 Views

The BBC has now published most of the letter excalibur - 26/04/2004 01:02:26 PM 20 Views

52? wads - 26/04/2004 05:18:59 PM 10 Views

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I feel sorry for Blair. chorabliss - 26/04/2004 06:53:42 PM 11 Views

Here is most of it. excalibur - 26/04/2004 08:09:20 PM 9 Views

Well, it is self inflicted snoopster - 27/04/2004 04:24:50 AM 5 Views

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