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The Annals by Tacitus (62-65 AD): Roman Historian

    But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.


Letters, Pliny the Younger (111-113AD): Roman Governor
    They asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so. When this was over, it was their custom to depart and to assemble again to partake of food--but ordinary and innocent food.


Antiquities by Josepheus (early 2nd century A.D.): Jewish historian
    Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent. (24) Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.


There is another passage by Josepheus, but many historians believe it has been altered. And there are other sources, but they are not that compelling in my opinion.

SK







A biased source.




A biased source.
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Evidence apart from the Bible of Jesus - 17/04/2004 10:11:22 AM 503 Views
Why? - 17/04/2004 10:39:29 AM 61 Views
Pays to know your competition - 17/04/2004 10:41:02 AM 1 Views
*shakes head sadly* - 17/04/2004 10:41:15 AM 1 Views
I blame that pom - 17/04/2004 11:12:30 AM 1 Views
I've posted twenty odd sources to get you started. - 17/04/2004 11:38:02 AM 89 Views
(Blank subject) - 17/04/2004 12:09:24 PM 59 Views
It really should read Jesus of the Bible as the Bible is not - 17/04/2004 01:07:26 PM 54 Views
Your sources are misleading... - 17/04/2004 01:23:14 PM 1 Views
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Actually, I just missed out my commas - 17/04/2004 01:46:03 PM 1 Views
There are no contemporary, non-Christian records whatsoever - 17/04/2004 02:08:14 PM 1 Views
Tacitus wrote at 100 AD--almost certainly just repeating a story. - 17/04/2004 03:38:02 PM 1 Views
There are none from his time. - 17/04/2004 03:41:46 PM 1 Views
Especialyl when you consider - 17/04/2004 03:46:12 PM 1 Views
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Sans those details, what do you have? - 17/04/2004 06:12:41 PM 1 Views
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Re: Your sources are misleading... - 17/04/2004 07:23:44 PM 1 Views
But contemporary info is what's important. - 17/04/2004 07:42:46 PM 1 Views
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He asked for outside sources... - 17/04/2004 08:17:03 PM 1 Views
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josefis - 17/04/2004 09:17:43 PM 22 Views
Josephus... - 17/04/2004 09:21:30 PM 1 Views
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You have done academic work for a journal edited - 17/04/2004 11:57:06 PM 1 Views
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On account of the debate regarding the 'historicity of Jesus' - 18/04/2004 01:41:10 AM 31 Views
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do you understand the meaning of the word may? - 18/04/2004 05:05:21 PM 1 Views
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You were not insulting. - 18/04/2004 06:49:01 PM 1 Views
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