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Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
Not much to comment on. "Dune Messiah" is my least favorite of the novels, and it acts as a stop-gap before Leto II and Ghanima accomplish what Paul did not want to do - force an evolution of humanity.

This novel is more about Paul's limitations and his lack of ease with his role. We see Alia pushing her limits constantly and increasing her muscular control and prophetic abilities to a level that Paul has not.

This novel is more like "Oedipus Rex" in that it is largely a tragedy that ends when the next generation of Atreides takes over the rulership from the prior generation.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1985 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1102 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1291 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1222 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1267 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1104 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1225 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1279 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1080 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1125 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1007 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 956 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 938 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1082 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 461 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1012 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 991 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1033 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 980 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1009 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 937 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1042 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 970 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1048 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1102 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 972 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 971 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 860 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1019 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1113 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 985 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 988 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1474 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 488 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1165 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1119 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1183 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1378 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1133 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1313 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1199 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1007 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1577 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1364 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1325 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1245 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1009 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 431 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 435 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1246 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 963 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 911 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 906 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1022 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 908 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 833 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 955 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 858 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1067 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1038 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1020 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 913 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1280 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 903 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 859 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1140 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 877 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 951 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 907 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1253 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1061 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1098 Views
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