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Re: That was most of my issue. Chas Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM
Larry didn't call it an environmental novel (ie save the planet type thing)- he called it an ecological novel. Therein lies the confusion.


And by the definition he later gave for ecological, his point makes no sense. Every story no matter how good or bad has an ecology.

If what he meant was that Herbert was the first to create a Sci-Fi novel that could carry the same sort of distinction that is made between Fantasy and High Fantasy, he would have been better served to cut and paste from Wikipedia.


But it doesn't necessarily play an active role. It does in Dune.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2142 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1243 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1462 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1372 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1417 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1267 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1370 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1419 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1223 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1285 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1144 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1095 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1081 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1235 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 536 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1186 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1124 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1199 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1138 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1155 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1068 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1198 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1113 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1213 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1251 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1119 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1099 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 1019 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1155 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1251 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1123 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1124 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1641 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 562 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1315 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1256 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1347 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1525 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1265 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1447 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1332 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1153 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1734 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1550 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1544 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1400 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1149 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 503 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 506 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1697 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1151 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1085 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1056 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1170 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1054 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 996 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1086 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1034 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1216 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1206 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1175 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1061 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1444 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1048 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 1007 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1391 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 1042 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1168 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1065 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1415 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1230 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1281 Views
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