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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow Send a noteboard - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
This is especially clear when examining books from past eras, where societal themes from the time often make their way into the book without the author's conscious intent. I'm sure it happens in modern writing as well, of course, but it is the contrast between those older works and modern society that allows us to glimpse such things.

I'm arguing this in general principle; it's been too long since I've read Dune for me to argue one way or another in your environmental debate.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2124 Views
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1397 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1348 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1401 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1206 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1272 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1130 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1080 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1061 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1217 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1169 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1107 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1178 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1117 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1137 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1231 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1102 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1084 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 995 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1137 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1231 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1109 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1111 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1618 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 548 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1296 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1238 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1327 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1505 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1248 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1427 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1137 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1709 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1533 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1522 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1381 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1134 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 492 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 498 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1660 Views
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I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1066 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1036 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 977 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 1019 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1202 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1186 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1159 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1041 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 1032 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 982 Views
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I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1047 Views
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