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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
Herbert saw Dune Messiah as a kind of coda to the first book. He had been convinced that Dune was a more powerful book if it stopped when Paul became Emperor, without his downfall.

Dune and Dune Messiah had originally been envisioned as a single book. The Anti-Hero of Paul Atreides was not at all desirable by the publishers, which along with the length of the text was why it was split up.


Yeah, I know.

In the French edition of Dune Messiah (that unlike the original American edition is merged with Dune - with no alteration to the text of any kind, though), the foreword explains that Dune Messiah is a kind of coda to Dune that originally was to be the third part of the novel, but that Frank's publishers didn't want him to include, and in the end he became convinced it was for the best. IIRC, in America DM was first published (or the first part of it only, I don't remember) not as a novel but in a SF magazine.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1938 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1054 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1244 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1172 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1213 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1060 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1173 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1222 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1031 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1061 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 928 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 902 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 894 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1026 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 437 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 957 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 938 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 978 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 923 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 953 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 881 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 972 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 913 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 991 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1053 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 915 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 918 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 807 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 958 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1034 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 929 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 934 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1415 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 460 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1116 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1069 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1138 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1323 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1077 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1266 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1149 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 955 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1521 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1319 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1272 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1201 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 956 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 403 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 408 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1173 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 909 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 854 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 848 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 944 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 855 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 776 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 898 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 781 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1010 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 976 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 955 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 860 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1125 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 848 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 806 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1076 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 818 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 893 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 855 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1197 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1005 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1046 Views
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