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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
The planet was a key factor to the story and the power of deserts is what helped inspire the story but that doesn't mean the story was about deserts. Now I didn't read the entire 47 page interview so if there is some place there where he says it was about deserts please let me know. That would be a like saying Star Trek is about space ships because the ship is so important to the story. The story is about the people on the ship.

Ecology played a major role in the story but I wouldn't call it a theme because there is no ecological message in the story, on the other hand there are messages about politics, religion and power.

In a 1980 interview with Omni Herbert said

"Enormous problems arise when human mistakes are made on the grand scale available to a superhero... Heroes are painful, superheroes are a catastrophe. The mistakes of superheroes involve too many of us in disaster." [1]
Also:

"I had this theory that superheroes were disastrous for humans, that even if you postulated an infallible hero, the things this hero set in motion fell eventually into the hands of fallible mortals. What better way to destroy a civilization, society or a race than to set people into the wild oscillations which follow their turning over their critical judgment and decision-making faculties to a superhero?"


That is a theme


I last read Dune 7 or 8 years ago. I remember various details but not all. The one thing that sticks with me the most/strongest is Arrakis- it affected everything that happened in the story. I cannot recall a single element that did not in some way trace back to the planet. That is ecology. It ties the entire story together. If that doesn't qualify as a theme than I am sadly undereducated.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1938 Views
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1173 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1222 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1031 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1061 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 928 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 902 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 893 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1026 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 957 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 938 Views
Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 978 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 923 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 953 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 991 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1053 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 915 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 918 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 807 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 958 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1034 Views
Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 929 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 934 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1415 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 460 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1116 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1069 Views
There are several points to the book/series - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1137 Views
Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1323 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1077 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1266 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 955 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1521 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1318 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1272 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1201 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 955 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 403 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 408 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1173 Views
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I didn't see that in Alia - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 854 Views
One of my favorite series! - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 855 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 776 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 897 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 781 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1010 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 975 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 955 Views
Depends - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 860 Views
Re: Depends - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1125 Views
read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 848 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 806 Views
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I read the wiki synopses of those two books - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 854 Views
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