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Far more people watched B&B than have read ASoIaF. Werthead Send a noteboard - 23/09/2010 07:01:22 PM
Have you read his latest WILDCARDS book? I haven't read any of them. No one else has, either.


If no-one is reading them why are Tor asking for more books and reprinting the old ones? I'm not hugely bothered about WILD CARDS either, but a few hundred thousand people out there clearly are.

George R.R. Martin has money and can keep stuffing his gut and feeding his cats (I'm sure there are several) because of A Song of Ice and Fire. Period.


Partially, sure. Since HBO bought the TV rights in 2007, even in the majority. But, as has been said before, the money authors make from their books alone is peanuts compared to what TV screenwriters and producers make, or what authors who have sold TV and movie rights of their works make.

Did you watch that awful soap opera Beauty and the Beast? I didn't. Based on its cancellation, most people didn't.


About 17 million people watched BatB during its second season in 1988, monstrously eclipsing contemporary shows like say STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION. Season 1 had even higher ratings, around 20 million (or about ten times the sales of any individual ASoIaF novel, and more than twice the sales of the entire series). Most TV execs would murder for numbers like that today (that's LOST levels of success).

Incidentally, I strongly suspect this is partially why GRRM is sanguine over the current ADWD-focused criticism. It is like a candle next to the supernova of fury he received (and continues to receive to this very day) over what happened on BatB (him killing off major characters, the series finishing unresolved etc).
NYT Article on Beauty and the Beast
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Because George R.R. Martin does everything but write these days... Tom - 22/09/2010 04:15:04 AM 2102 Views
I don't hate him. But, like you, I'm fed up with him. LiterateDog - 22/09/2010 04:47:31 AM 1128 Views
I'm pretty much in the same camp as you and Tom. everynametaken - 22/09/2010 06:17:53 AM 1246 Views
I'm beginning to agree. Ghavrel - 22/09/2010 09:55:07 AM 1132 Views
I do like Neil Gaiman's writing, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/09/2010 10:01:24 AM 485 Views
I can forgive you. *NM* Tom - 22/09/2010 02:08:46 PM 519 Views
Not only is he a writer, but he has really only one successful series. Tom - 23/09/2010 03:40:30 AM 1063 Views
Far more people watched B&B than have read ASoIaF. Werthead - 23/09/2010 07:01:22 PM 1260 Views
good point *NM* aragornital - 22/09/2010 08:07:16 AM 594 Views
Wait a minute... Larry - 22/09/2010 11:33:37 PM 1176 Views
I said I'm "growing" to hate him. I'm not ready to pay for his death yet. Tom - 23/09/2010 03:37:53 AM 1060 Views
bahahahahahahahahaha temeraire - 22/09/2010 06:10:26 AM 1176 Views
I was in an odd mood last night Tom - 23/09/2010 03:36:46 AM 1008 Views
Hahaha Darth_Katie - 22/09/2010 01:24:17 PM 1136 Views
I'm not sure I'd be dictating chapters from my deathbed Tom - 23/09/2010 03:35:43 AM 1029 Views
I was thinking the same things a couple days ago Fox and Ravens - 22/09/2010 02:22:49 PM 1284 Views
I'm not sure Brandon Sanderson could finish the series, either. Tom - 23/09/2010 03:33:52 AM 1047 Views
Sadly, I would be satisfied with this. StormCrow - 23/09/2010 03:01:04 PM 1156 Views
If I was an author I wouldn't defend him. Tigr - 22/09/2010 03:35:17 PM 1136 Views
I agree but emphatically endorse use of the subjunctive "were". Tom - 23/09/2010 03:31:25 AM 1002 Views
If I were to be grammatically correct, the world would stop spinning. *NM* Tigr - 23/09/2010 02:27:00 PM 527 Views
Martin is not the only one... ajah - 02/10/2010 08:16:51 AM 1124 Views
If he had only ever written stand-alone books... Gher - 22/09/2010 03:42:48 PM 1152 Views
There is more than an expectation. Tom - 23/09/2010 03:30:32 AM 1110 Views
I stopped caring so long ago I don't even remember much of what it's about. *NM* Macharius - 22/09/2010 04:21:52 PM 492 Views
Wolves and incest and a big wall of ice with barrow-wights on the other side. *NM* Tom - 23/09/2010 03:36:19 AM 488 Views
You know whenever the new book is ever released, it'll sell even more copies due to the wait, right? Larry - 22/09/2010 11:06:37 PM 1171 Views
Bisson was already working on it when Miller died, IIRC Werthead - 22/09/2010 11:17:50 PM 1134 Views
Close enough Larry - 22/09/2010 11:26:51 PM 1166 Views
There's a huge difference between Song of Ice and Fire and Miller's Leibowitz. Tom - 23/09/2010 03:28:31 AM 1068 Views
I know - I was just thinking about wait times for stories Larry - 23/09/2010 03:40:09 AM 996 Views
Not neccessarily. There are plenty of series that I started but didn't finish because I lost Tashmere - 24/09/2010 12:58:10 AM 1009 Views
Don't mistake yourself for the average consumer Larry - 24/09/2010 04:03:57 AM 1263 Views
Re: Don't mistake yourself for the average consumer Werthead - 24/09/2010 08:55:29 AM 1147 Views
which is why I always rant - why review a book on your blog, but not Amazon? Aeryn - 25/09/2010 03:36:45 PM 1079 Views
That's why I always do. Werthead - 25/09/2010 04:51:49 PM 1010 Views
Re: Mostly, because I don't buy from Amazon. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 26/09/2010 12:09:03 AM 514 Views
I don't plan to read it. nossy - 26/09/2010 03:28:02 PM 1261 Views
As I said in a previous response... Larry - 26/09/2010 11:15:13 PM 1037 Views
I only recently started reading the books fistofpainx - 23/09/2010 04:17:14 AM 1087 Views
Re: I only recently started reading the books Fox and Ravens - 23/09/2010 03:36:17 PM 1052 Views
Where's your evidence that Neil Gaiman thinks he's God? Tim - 23/09/2010 01:31:03 PM 1109 Views
Re: Nothing wrong with him if does have a high opinion of himself. *NM* Danae al'Thor - 26/09/2010 12:11:06 AM 461 Views
I'm always amused by these threads. Variant - 24/09/2010 08:22:54 AM 1090 Views
Re: I'm always amused by these threads. Fox and Ravens - 24/09/2010 02:42:27 PM 1167 Views
Truly, there's really no reason that you can't be both angry at him and planning to buy the book. Kotagg - 25/09/2010 12:46:03 AM 1078 Views
I never said it was hypocritical, just saying it's amusing. *NM* Variant - 25/09/2010 11:06:42 AM 483 Views
So y'all just bitching? Variant - 25/09/2010 10:31:23 AM 1088 Views
Re: I'm always amused by these threads. Werthead - 25/09/2010 05:04:56 PM 1039 Views
Re: This is funny beyond the telling. Danae al'Thor - 26/09/2010 12:07:40 AM 1056 Views
Re: Because George R.R. Martin does everything but write these days... Mossman - 02/10/2010 02:57:29 AM 997 Views
Here's the thing... ajah - 02/10/2010 08:23:14 AM 1427 Views
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