Active Users:587 Time:03/08/2025 10:43:01 PM
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff Camilla Send a noteboard - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM
This is one of those books that opens with a chapter not involving Harry, and I do believe it's the only one that actually has two of those. Camilla will have something to say about that, I believe. ;) In any case it's a roaring start, making clear that the game has changed dramatically since we last saw our heroes at the end of book five. Thoughts?


Yes. I am still not quite happy with this strange and erratic switch of focus. But I'll forgive the first one because it (as the one in book 4 did) shows how magic intrudes so horribly into the world of powerless muggles, which has grown to be a major sub-theme (if there is such a thing). The very casual way in which it can be arranged that the President of some country can "forget" to call, and remember to do it tomorrow instead, for example. Not to mention the obvious problems that the Death Eaters are causing. It also shows up in the third chapter, if obliquely: Dumbledore's wand by its mere presence subdues the Dursleys, who dare not express themselves as they would otherwise have done. It is problematic. Unavoidable, perhaps, but still. Interestingly, the forced (more overtly) lack of expression in Kreecher echoes this. In my mind, at least. It ties the two together.

Actually, my main problem with the alternative focalization stems from the way she used it in the first three books to keep information from the reader, making it read like a detective story. She moves away from the detective story pattern in the fourth and fifth books, and I suppose that while it is present to a certain degree in this book, it is also radically changed. Seeing as Harry is right for a change, for instance (which is confirmed even before he is right). Still.

Also, I forgive the second one because it shows Snape outside of Hogwarts, doing something good that looks bad. I love that. It makes me giddy.

In the third chapter, it is interesting to see how close the papers are to the truth about the prophecy. I suppose one narrative pattern fits another. We also get the rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour, and inferi are introduced.

It also occurs to me that Dumbledore's "we have corresponded, of course" to Petunia means something other than what Harry attributes to it (shock) -- as is revealed in book 7, I think?

And Dumbledore's arm. I don't think we get the significance of it until the next book. We get to know that something went wrong with the horcrux, of course, but not why. And the blackened hand is the first indication that Dumbledore must die, and with the Spinner's End scene the two major pieces of the movement are lined up.
*MySmiley*
structured procrastinator
Reply to message
The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2990 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1698 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 1817 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1931 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1680 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1740 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 1892 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1617 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1023 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 964 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1782 Views
Re: Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 10:05:30 PM 2068 Views
Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1982 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1973 Views
Re: Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:55:06 PM 1965 Views
(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1923 Views
Re: (minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 05:26:50 PM 1700 Views
*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1916 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:39:44 AM 1726 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 2017 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1710 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 1821 Views
Plotting and writing. - 18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM 1463 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM 1736 Views
Oh, her writing is glorious in these chapters. - 22/10/2010 07:31:14 PM 1769 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 880 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1832 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1801 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1795 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1030 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 1880 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 05:27:26 PM 1900 Views
(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1920 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:46:08 PM 1837 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM 1711 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1451 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 1825 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1716 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 1851 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1787 Views
Re: On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:58:45 PM 1842 Views
Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1672 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1744 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1666 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1794 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1837 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 873 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1624 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1614 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 1022 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 981 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1873 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1631 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1655 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1633 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1642 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1814 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1738 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1688 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1827 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1731 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1816 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1808 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 1879 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1699 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 968 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1760 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1664 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1689 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1677 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 984 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1626 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1751 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1735 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1023 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 990 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1911 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1765 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1602 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1789 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1762 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1653 Views
Re: ~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 09:49:12 PM 1612 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1699 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1789 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1802 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1763 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1800 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1699 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1744 Views
Re: The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 08:10:46 AM 1663 Views
Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1777 Views
Re: Things - 27/10/2010 12:01:17 AM 1815 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 811 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1612 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1746 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1594 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1817 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1710 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1667 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1729 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1722 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1679 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1683 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1964 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1831 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 851 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1725 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 982 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 966 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1702 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1680 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1712 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1864 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 1842 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 784 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1734 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1894 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1751 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1766 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 815 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 1878 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1811 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1671 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1854 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1717 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1776 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1626 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 956 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1040 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1858 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1688 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1704 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 1936 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1788 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1747 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1440 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1698 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1701 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1626 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1787 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 847 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1719 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1782 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 745 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1069 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1595 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1836 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1917 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 851 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1913 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 870 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2000 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 992 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1749 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1778 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1803 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 884 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1715 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1786 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1799 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1628 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1789 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1761 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 869 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1613 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1453 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1660 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 892 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1703 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1946 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1689 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 993 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 831 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 958 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1630 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1691 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1781 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1781 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1744 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1893 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2033 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 840 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1751 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1960 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1658 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1784 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1758 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2004 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2231 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1771 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1870 Views

Reply to Message