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Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. Camilla Send a noteboard - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM
Malfoy: he is showing the strain. And we know Harry is wrong that the mission is going badly. The paleness and thinness are therefore signs that he is not happy about the mission progressing as planned. The swagger and self-assurance is gone, not because he is failing, but probably because the horror of what he has to do is getting to him. This is confirmed, of course, in the bathroom scene.

Agreed. There were indications before that Malfoy wasn't entirely as Harry saw him, but these few paragraphs here completely alter our view of his character (well, okay, not ours because we knew it was coming, but that of the new reader). Draco's reaction mirrors that of his mother early in the book in terms of lashing out to hide his pain from outsiders, but there are limits to his self-control so he can't do so coldly and calmly as no doubt he'd like to do. And it's tempting to see the influence of aunt Bellatrix - who he must have been distancing himself from over the course of the year as he starts to realize he's really not cut out to be a DE - resurface in his attempted use of the Cruciatus.


Indeed.

What's interesting is that Draco mentions that "unless I do it soon, he says he'll kill me". That's even worse than what Narcissa had been fearing early on in the book - which was that Draco would die trying, one supposes by the hand of Dumbledore (which also makes one wonder just how badly Narcissa knows Dumbledore, but I digress). It's also a bizarre kind of threat, something that as far as I'm aware we don't see Voldemort telling anyone else. It would have made far more sense if he'd said "unless I do it soon, he'll kill my father", but no. Strange.


Yes, I was wondering about that, too.

And on the topic of the Cruciatus, it does make psychological sense in the scene, but still in a way it's Rowling letting Harry off easy. He had been intending to use Sectumsempra on an "enemy" who annoyed or irritated him, which would've essentially been unprovoked attempted murder, but now ends up merely doing it in reaction to an Unforgiveable curse. The result still shakes him up rather badly, but it's a far cry from what it would've been if he had done it to McLaggen for nagging at him, or to Draco during an exchange of more innocent hexes.


I agree. Just the idea of using it on McLaggen...

It's a good lesson to Harry on the meaning of the word "enemy", though. Evidently, Snape has rather more serious enemies as a schoolboy than just people annoying him, or at least expects to have such serious enemies in the future.


Yes. Or, rather, I think Harry does not imagine that anyone else could have enemies like he does. His idea of the Prince is one of schoolboy pranks (like the levitating spell). Not of someone needing to hurt someone bad. There are enemies outside of Hogwarts (evil, that will try to kill him), and then there are enemies inside Hogwarts (who will give him some sort of unpleasant but ultimately harmless trouble). His problem is that he confuses the two.

Ron and Hermione: their being in the boys' dormitories apparently alone must look suspicious to Lavender. While I am glad the whole absurde relationship is over, Hermione is right that Ron is a bit of a coward. Still, it is nice to see her cheery. And she so knows that Harry has a crush on Ginny. Hermione knows. And I like their reactions when Harry and Ginny finally get to it.

She definitely knows - he did give her a few hints even apart from his wandering eyes. Hermione's gloating over Ron and Lavender breaking up is a tad mean, but understandable.


I wouldn't say it is mean. There was never really anything there, I think.

Slughorn: he is such a delightful mix of the good and the bad. I like him. He is horrible in his calculating and downright greedy approach to Hagrid's grief. And his reference to having had house elves taste all the bottles in case they were poisoned is horrible. And the casual nature of it makes it worse. He is apparently not aware that it is wrong. But then he does give Harry the memory. Pressed and drunk, yes. But I am not sure that is to be held against him here. I like how he in contradictory. There is too much good vs evil in fantasy writing. His reason for keeping it secret is also interesting. Guilt or shame clearly plays a part. But it would also seem that he is reluctant to help kill Voldemort. Probably because he remembers Tom as a good student who treated him well. And his horror at the thought of Horcruxes show that while he is perhaps not a thoroughly decent fellow, he has a moral compass.

It is rather heartless to abuse Hagrid's confidence so, though on the other hand he does show his worth in exchange, by doing the little speech and joining Hagrid in his drinking binge. His prejudices show again in the memory scene (the "decent wizarding stock" remark), and again with the house elves thing. Quite grey character, yes.


Yes.

Snape: Using that type of deep legilimency (not just a surface skim to see if someone is lying or not) on a student without permission seems like a violation which should not be permitted. Still, the situation is quite singular. And he is surprisingly lenient when it comes to punishment, considering.

He is, isn't he? Especially considering how he wanted Harry expelled in earlier books - this is his best chance yet. I think we have to conclude he realizes it's too dangerous to expel Harry at this point.


Yes. It is now about protecting Lily's son again, I think.

He so knows about the HBP book thing, now. Or suspects, at least.


Oh, he knows.
I also noticed that the problematic spell checker quill in the beginning of the book finally had a plot point: the name is not recognisable as Ron's.

What I like about Harry there is that he doesn't look for excuses. He does of course say that he didn't know what the spell would do, but he doesn't mention the Cruciatus at all, nor does he use that as an excuse to justify his action to himself.


True.

Ginny: why is her face described as hard when she is approaching Harry to embrace him?

I think it just means she's determined.


Probably. It didn't work for me, though.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3290 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1934 Views
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Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1916 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1987 Views
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*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1849 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1142 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 1087 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 2004 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 2194 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 2207 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 2179 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2171 Views
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1939 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 1011 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 2083 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 2012 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1147 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 2197 Views
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*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 2062 Views
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Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1857 Views
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Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 1096 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 2114 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1883 Views
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More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1896 Views
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Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 2065 Views
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Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 2063 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1979 Views
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NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 2051 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1096 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 2015 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1959 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1905 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 1113 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1865 Views
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Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 1117 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 2176 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1989 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1831 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1999 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 2053 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1990 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 2054 Views
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Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1881 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1970 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1843 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 2070 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1953 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1926 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1949 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1954 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1936 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1952 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2212 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 2072 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 979 Views
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Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1991 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1924 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1965 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 2092 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 888 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1976 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2120 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1991 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1920 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2140 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 2052 Views
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Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1099 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1166 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2102 Views
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And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1958 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1904 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 2018 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 985 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1946 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 2017 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 864 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1219 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1836 Views
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Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 2148 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 974 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2178 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 981 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2218 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1122 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 2034 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 2044 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 2058 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 996 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1971 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 2005 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 2070 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1848 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 2008 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 2035 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 995 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1851 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1680 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1887 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 1003 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1936 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2188 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1912 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1127 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 947 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1071 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1886 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 2022 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 2015 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1982 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2142 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2278 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 981 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 2004 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2220 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 2037 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1988 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2227 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2477 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 2012 Views
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