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*spoilers for book 7* Camilla Send a noteboard - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM
First some plot questions:

The darkness Trelawny talks about, is that the Peruvian darkness powder?

And is Draco actually being compelled to talk? Or is it just psychology?


Another plot point: we see Dumbledore's want being defeated by Draco, which becomes quite important in the final book.


It is revealed that Snape overheard the prophecy. I have some issues with how that is done. Haven't we been told before that he was thrown out before the whole prophecy had been delivered? How can Trelawny then remember him? She does not remember anything while giving prophecies.


I like how Dumbledore drops hints about why he trusts Snape: his great remorse, the greatest regret of his life, the reason he turned. All true. It isn't his secret to tell, of course, but he provides enough of a background for it to make sense when we do learn the truth.


And then there is the shock of Harry being right again: Dumbledore does leave the school with inadequate defences. And he shows excellent foresight in giving the Felix Felicis to Ron, Hermione and Ginny.

There is also a strange reversal of roles after the cave and before Dumbledore's death. Harry takes on the role of carer. Dumbledore says something about not being worried because he is with Harry. Perhaps it is an indication that he has fulfilled his role. The mentor stepping aside when he is no longer needed is such an important part of the type of bildungs-narrative (which Harry Potter does fall under).


The scene that has been coming for such a very long time, and the end of an era. Was it well done?



I do love the scene at the top of the tower. Not just how Dumbledore treats Draco, but the final moment with Snape. It is beautiful misdirection (which I appreciate even more because I was never fooled, what with my blind faith in Dumbledore and Snape). I read the scene the first time as I do now, and it had great impact on me.

My one problem with it is the falling off the tower. I understand it is meant to build suspense (a little like she did with Sirius), but it does not work for me.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3150 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1809 Views
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Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 2029 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1791 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1838 Views
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*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1720 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1081 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 1022 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 2032 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2035 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 941 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1962 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1894 Views
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Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1751 Views
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Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1769 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1928 Views
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Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1786 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1944 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1846 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1936 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1924 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1778 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1739 Views
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*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1863 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1706 Views
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~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1763 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1873 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1912 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1859 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1906 Views
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Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1742 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1844 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1709 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1944 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1829 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1770 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1810 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1815 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1780 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1806 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2075 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1946 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 912 Views
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Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1857 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1773 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1826 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1951 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 823 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1843 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1986 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1851 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1882 Views
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Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1912 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1774 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1980 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1902 Views
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Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1980 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1857 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1547 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1809 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1803 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1768 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1895 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 906 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1812 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1884 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 798 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1146 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1703 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1940 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 2035 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 906 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2041 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 917 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2095 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1053 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1857 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1888 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1925 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 927 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1827 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1883 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1931 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1711 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1892 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1896 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 925 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1713 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1554 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1762 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 934 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1818 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2060 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1785 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1054 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 882 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1009 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1745 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1804 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1880 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1879 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1848 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2018 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2143 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 900 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1865 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2102 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1756 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1912 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1861 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2094 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2349 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1895 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1975 Views

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