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Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* StormCrow Send a noteboard - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM
House elves show up again in Slughorn's casual reference that he has had them taste all the bottles.


I find myself in Hermoine's court on this one. How could he do this to the elves? Surely he could help them if they found poison, but it seems risky and unfair to the elves.

It is very interesting that Dumbledore would say that as far as he knew no wizard had ever done more than rip his soul in two. This seems a little strange. Surely Grindewald or someone like that has killed more than two people? Of course, it does suggest the strong taboo of killing in the wizarding world. Perhaps he was just referring to the amount of horcruxes made, even if that is not what his words say.


I think this is kind of a misleading statement by Dumbledore, but that he means he only knows of someone creating 1 horcrux (splitting their soul in two), outside of what they're finding out about Voldemort. Sure other wizards have killed loads of people, but not made horcruxes each time. Grindewald would be a good example of that, though I got the impression he made inferi do most of the dirty work.

His statement blurs the line between ripping a soul and creating a horcrux, to me. You can kill someone, rip your soul, and then it either heals or doesn't. Unless you set out meaning to create a horcrux when you commit the murder, you just have to face the remorse or personal justification for what you've done.

I am a little fascinated by this (the pacifist in me, perhaps). What of the people killed in battle by the good guys? I cannot remember who kills who, but if Mrs Weasley kills Bellatrix, is her soul broken in two? Would she regret it enough to heal it again? Or when Harry kills Voldemort...


Back to what I was saying above. I would think that the remorse for killing Bellatrix and Voldemort would be pretty easy for them to get over and their souls would mend fairly quickly from those kills, since they'd feel justified in making them. Harry has had quite a while to reconcile himself to killing Voldemort, after all.

At any rate, we can start ticking off horcruxes (although if Voldemort split his soul in seven, shouldn't there be six horcruxes to begin with, then five left after he has used one of them to gain a life? Or is it a way of keeping the embodied soul suspended, so that it does not disappear when the body is killed? -- I was always a little unclear on that): the diary. One down, six to go. The ring. Two down...

So there are now four. And Voldemort.

The locket

The cup

Nagini

and Rowena Ravenclaw's tiara, if I am right?

And Harry?

Which brings us to ... 8?

I have always had trouble with this part of the books. Counting is not my strong suit, and I have a strong impression that Dumbeldore's counting is off here too. How does Harry fit in? Is he really a horcrux?


I think you're right on your count, because you have to count Voldemort in his original body. My problem here is that they destroy something that he had already used, by this logic. I'm unclear too on if it would still useful to him in some way if he had already reclaimed the soul fragment from it.

I think Dumbledore had guessed that Harry was the final horcrux and likely assumed that Voldemort had used one to stay alive the first time around. His suspision that Voldemort is still around, from book 1, and his delving for memories involving him imply as much. So, he gave Harry this task knowing one could be a waste of time. Better safe than sorry in his mind.

Edit: I find myself remembering that Dumbledore mentions that the diary is almost treated as a throw away (1st attempt). Maybe he intended to use that as he did, in the school, and make a replacement with Harry? Just a thought.

Doesn't the squeeling baby thing in the train station chapter of DH confirm that Harry had indeed been a horcrux?

And I really enjoy Harry defending the Prince against Hermione's suggestion that he might be bad. If only he knew he was so sure Snape was not a bad guy.


I enjoyed the irony here. Doubly so, once he finds out who the Prince is. It's a good twist that he's been protecting him the whole book, only to find out that it's Snape he's been protecting.

Honestly though, some of those spells should have indicated that he was not a goody 2 shoes. Snape again blurring the lines and showing that a "good guy" does not necessarily have to be a "nice guy." Also, somewhat ironic from this is that Lupin knows the connection between these spells and Snape (from comments in DH about sectumsempra). Harry could have found out who the prince was by asking some of the people he knew and trusted that were at Hogwarts with him.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3261 Views
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Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1895 Views
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Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1959 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1981 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1964 Views
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But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1932 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1905 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1932 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1930 Views
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Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2191 Views
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Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1964 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1894 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1943 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 2075 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 877 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1959 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2102 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1970 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1896 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2121 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 2029 Views
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Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1153 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2081 Views
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And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1938 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1883 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 2001 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 971 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1926 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1994 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 853 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1206 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1810 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 960 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2161 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 968 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2197 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1111 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 2009 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 2018 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 982 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1953 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1985 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 2039 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1818 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1991 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 2017 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 979 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1831 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1663 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1865 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 991 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1920 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2168 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1892 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1112 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 933 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1057 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1861 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 2004 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1999 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1965 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2122 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2255 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 965 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1984 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2202 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 2014 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1965 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2202 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2456 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1992 Views
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