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Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) Legolas Send a noteboard - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM
Snape: The scene where Harry catches up with him is again delightful. He keeps him from using an unforgivable curse (an not for Snape's own sake alone, I think). And it is only when Harry calls him a coward that he reacts with anger (and, considering what he has just been through, you cannot really blame him at that point). And it is when that is repeated (mixed with the attribution of blame for the death of Lily (Harry refers to his father, but that entails the other), which probably makes it worse) that he really loses it. He intervenes to stop Harry being tortured, and he keeps instructing him all the way. How anyone could actually believe Snape was a bad guy is beyond me.

The part with Snape stopping Harry from being tortured, that is. The excuses he gives for that - and for running away immediately - aren't very convincing, considering the Ministry doesn't seem to find out until a good while later when Slughorn tells them. Good thing those other Death Eaters aren't the brightest cookies in the box and don't notice that Snape is doing what he can to protect Harry and the students of Hogwarts.

I also hadn't realized that Snape is blocking Harry's non-verbal spells by using his Legilimency skills.

Lupin evidently knew nothing about Lily's connection to Snape. Makes one wonder if James knew... well, after they got together, that is, he almost certainly didn't before.

It is one of Rowling's best scenes emotionally. Makes me all the more annoyed they butchered it beyond recognition in the movie. It was the defining moment for Snape, essential for the depth of his character, and they just had Rickman do the normal sneering Snape. I really, really wonder why. Was it just because they figure the audience (those who haven't read the books, anyway) consists of idiots?
Lupin: the description of his reaction to the news of Dumbledore's death is surprisingly effective. The exclamation, disbelief, the utter grief. I believe it. It is not fancy, a masterpiece of prose. But it is again that snapshot quality. The description of actions, then Harry's gloss. Lupin is the one who has continually relied on Dumbledore the most, I think. I mean, they all do, but there is something extra there. Dumbledore is the one who takes him in and allows him to form part of wizarding society in a way he would not otherwise have been able to do. It is he who provides him with the opportunity to have friends. He is the one who gives him a job, and it is to avoid giving him trouble that Lupin leaves. There is a very strong connection there, and I cannot help thinking that the idea of Dumbledore is what makes it possible for Lupin to go under cover. And then this.

Yes, makes sense. Same with Hagrid to some extent, though of course Hagrid is more emotional in general.
And, all right, so the scene with Tonks is fine. That does not mean I am convinced.

You should be. :P They're a perfectly credible couple.
The Order: their shock at Snape's apparent treachery is of course understandable, and McGonagall's almost fainting made it very apparent. But I am a little surprised that they are all so ready to stop trusting Dumbledore's judgement now he is dead. Yesyes, being killed by Snape does look very bad, but still. Then again, if any of them had as much as uttered any suggestion that there might be another explanation, I suspect Harry would have gone mental.

It is kind of sad that the Order so blindly relies on Dumbledore, accepting Snape because of him and then not doing it anymore once Dumbledore is dead. Of course, that all works out, but it's kind of unusual to have "the good side" function in such a hierarchical way with nearly everyone cut out of the loop, and following their lone leader. And then of course Harry continues that, he confides in the rest of the Trio, but not the Order. For all that he does love and trust many people, in the end his modus operandi is not so different from Voldemort's, confiding in very few people and thus risking that it'll all come falling down if he should die or be captured. That has to make things extremely frustrating for everybody else in Britain who wants to oppose Voldemort, particularly after the Ministry takeover.
Mrs Weasley and Fleur: one of Fleur's finest moments, I think. And it re-establishes her character, taking us back to who she was in the fourth book (at least in my mind) -- seeing her through the distorting lens of Harry via the Weasley women has suspended the strong part of her character, but here it is back. "I am beautiful enough for the both of us" is an excellent line.

It's a bit of a silly scene, because the whole prejudice against her was a bit silly from the start. The reader never thought that Fleur was a shallow bitch - or at least not anymore after getting to know her in book four - so it's not exactly a shock or noteworthy that she reacts like that. But good that the Weasley (+ Granger) women finally come to their senses, I suppose.
Scrimgeour: not his best move talking to Harry at the funeral. He isn't quite a diplomat.

Does he or his Ministry actually do anything useful during the entirety of his term in office? I'm having a hard time thinking of anything. Rather pathetic. But then of course we couldn't have that, the hero has to get the credit for defeating the villain. And since the story is set in a modern universe, that has to mean either the hero is part of the government/armed forces/secret service/whatever, or the government/etc. is completely incompetent. I don't suppose Rowling had much of a choice.
Ginny: I am suprised at how accepting she is. His point is a good one, of course, but still.

Yeah, generally the whole noble thing is a bit silly and women rightly quash it, but here he does have a point. I'm not sure breaking up makes much sense, but temporarily severing contact does, so I guess it amounts to the same thing either way.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3327 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1956 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 2096 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 2183 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1940 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 2007 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 2137 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1869 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1151 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 1100 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 2026 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 2214 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 2226 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 2205 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2211 Views
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Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 2275 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1958 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 2102 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 1026 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 2113 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 2060 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 2036 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1163 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 2139 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 2222 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1738 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 2113 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1997 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 2121 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 2074 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1942 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 2010 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1920 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 2024 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 2081 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 1025 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1875 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1868 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 1194 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 1121 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 2135 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1911 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1899 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1917 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1944 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 2089 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 2005 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1951 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 2101 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 2001 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 2076 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 2074 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 2131 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1967 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1110 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 2038 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1978 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1993 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1926 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 1138 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1891 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 2019 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1974 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1180 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 1133 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 2201 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 2008 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1851 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 2033 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 2007 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1908 Views
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Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1928 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 2069 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 2047 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 2028 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 2070 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1947 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 2009 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 2078 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 938 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1909 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1997 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1865 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 2098 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1975 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1959 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1973 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1978 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1963 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1969 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2249 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 2088 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 990 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1982 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 1117 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 1124 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 2015 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1945 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1991 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 2110 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 2102 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 898 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 2002 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2145 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 2015 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 2026 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 958 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 2134 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 2051 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1945 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2156 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1986 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 2073 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1868 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1112 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1182 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2131 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1953 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1969 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 2194 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 2096 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 2038 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1690 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1951 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1978 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1926 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 2055 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 999 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1967 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 2039 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 875 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1229 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1856 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 2102 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 2182 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 987 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2201 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 1008 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2239 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1135 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 2049 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 2077 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 2077 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 1008 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1989 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 2025 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 2089 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1867 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 2029 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 2060 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 1017 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1877 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1719 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1926 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 1016 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1960 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2214 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1933 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1140 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 962 Views
Snape, Lupin, Hermione & Ron, the Order, Mrs Weasley & Fleur, Luna & Neville, Scrimgeour, Ginny *DH* - 09/11/2010 02:20:01 PM 1921 Views
Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 12:03:16 AM 2139 Views
Re: Yes, I really didn't remember that... (book seven spoilers) - 13/11/2010 09:35:04 AM 2073 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1084 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1908 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1953 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 2055 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 2036 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 2002 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2163 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2301 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 990 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 2024 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2242 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1905 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 2055 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 2010 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2246 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2496 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 2037 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 2126 Views

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