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Ghavrel Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM
Still, you just unfavorably compared Citizen Kane and Twelve Angry Men to Twilight. My point stands.
"We feel safe when we read what we recognise, what does not challenge our way of thinking.... a steady acceptance of pre-arranged patterns leads to the inability to question what we are told."
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2638 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1489 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1331 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1470 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1427 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1411 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1331 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1353 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1355 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1355 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1453 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1427 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 661 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1494 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1350 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1386 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1338 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1401 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 769 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1335 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 652 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 716 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1321 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1428 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1367 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1364 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1358 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1437 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1332 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1622 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1387 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1459 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1324 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1289 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1345 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 661 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1310 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1319 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1296 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1315 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1337 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1371 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 682 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1361 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1341 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1288 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1299 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1456 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1543 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1373 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1617 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1402 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1326 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1335 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1261 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1383 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1422 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 657 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 680 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 691 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 713 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1306 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1390 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1304 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1290 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1309 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1261 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1418 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1334 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1395 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1395 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1442 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1328 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1390 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 581 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1297 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1300 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 705 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 710 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1299 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1212 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1289 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1301 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1392 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 665 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1291 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1385 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1356 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1342 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1321 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 697 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1266 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1414 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1296 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1203 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1557 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1294 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1310 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 667 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1409 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1241 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1327 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1480 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 663 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1244 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1541 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1398 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1389 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1415 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1317 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1280 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1348 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1438 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1418 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1296 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1434 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1362 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1364 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1389 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 668 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1386 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1258 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1431 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1314 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1496 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1545 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1197 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 897 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 682 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1285 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1543 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1313 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1298 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1457 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 706 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 647 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 897 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 679 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1672 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1442 Views
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