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No, I took your point. Joel Send a noteboard - 22/04/2011 03:43:18 PM
Not that cyberpunk is completely outdated because it is archaic. It is because it's TOO possible. Creating absurdly futuristic technology off absurdly futuristic ideas just isn't as fun as creating absurdly futuristic tech out of outdated technology.

It's more fun to create than to speculate, is what (I think) I'm getting at. Honestly, I'm bad at building to a conclusion, I write and then try to summarize (it irritates my Lit professor to no end, which then irritates my grade and me).

But yea, steampunk is impossible, and more fun.

Or something like that.

I mean, Queen Victoria died in 1901, and King Edward VII in 1910, so anything from their lifetimes is already "dated" to more than a century ago. However, I would suggest that from a creative standpoint mainstream cyberpunk is at least as rich as its steampunk subtype (it really can't be less, by definition). As long as our neuroscience trails our cybernetics there will be a wide frontier; we don't even have an AI yet, nor is one expected soon, so human-computer integration doesn't seem "TOO possible" to me.

I appreciate speculations appeal, have felt it in mainstream fantasy, alternate histories (including some steampunk) and time travelers carrying knowledge of blackpowder, railroads etc. to earlier centuries (again, as in Connecticut Yankee). My problem with steampunk, in the cases where I have one (which is far from all of them) is that when it requires invalidating scientific law and grafting a postmodern zeitgeist onto an age that preceded it by half a century or more it wrecks the verisimilitude for me. It's like saying, "what if JFK had been a Martian?" Well, great except we know he wasn't because a) we have his corpse and b) there are no Martians and never were. I don't require my fiction be possible, but I do require it be plausible; where steampunk accomplishes that I can enjoy it as much as anything else.


This last paragraph here - completely missing everything I said (or at least intended). That's the point. No, it's clearly not possible to make a steam-powered mecha-rocket-horse. But it's FUN. And it's COOL. And that's why it wins. Then you look at cybernetics and AI, and, not only are all the cool cyberpunk topics pretty much used at this point, but they're not only plausible, but TOO plausible (yes, that was three sentences in one - now four - live with it). The science behind cyberpunk today is too much science, not enough shits and giggles.

I think you're badly underestimating the futures blank page. But, again, if it's just novel aesthetics (or as novel as the Gay Nineties, '30s noir and tired cybernetics can be ;)) all I can say is, "enjoy while it's cool". I want a little verisimilitude. Cool and fun are subjective, of course, but an absurdist marriage of things impossible to connect doesn't do it for me. If you read a story of Charlemagne as lightsaber wielding CIA agent would you say, "COOL!" or "8}"? I think steampunk has offered more, and appreciate when it has, but examples that merely look cool you can have for as long as they're still cool.
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The Sprawl Trilogy and Thoughts Thereof (or What Ever Happened to Cyberpunk?) - 19/04/2011 10:50:26 PM 2341 Views
Why I prefer cyberpunk in near future settings to (most) of the steampunk sub-genre. - 19/04/2011 10:55:57 PM 1265 Views
The difference is that steampunk, by and large, is very aware of its implausibility. - 20/04/2011 01:32:57 AM 833 Views
IMO, cyberpunk has become somewhat dated. - 20/04/2011 04:46:55 AM 1066 Views
Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 20/04/2011 07:01:50 AM 926 Views
Re: Actually, I can live with that, though terms like "dated" invite trouble. - 22/04/2011 04:12:20 AM 994 Views
No, I took your point. - 22/04/2011 03:43:18 PM 1087 Views
so...is bladerunner cyberpunk - 20/04/2011 09:48:15 PM 770 Views
It's usually seen as the archetypal cyberpunk film, yeah. - 21/04/2011 10:50:44 AM 1094 Views
so cyber is the time and punk is the attitude? - 21/04/2011 12:57:01 PM 894 Views
I don't think the portmanteau is that precisely defined. - 21/04/2011 08:31:34 PM 1015 Views
I am amazed that no one has referenced this TVTropes page yet... - 23/04/2011 07:45:14 PM 1249 Views
Playing with fire; I should've known TVTropes would exhaustively cover the derivatives. - 24/04/2011 03:11:56 AM 1204 Views
It's always hard to pigeonhole things, especially as they become more specific - 24/04/2011 06:27:28 PM 862 Views
Precisely. - 26/04/2011 03:04:54 AM 1143 Views
The "dated" idea is interesting. - 23/04/2011 08:08:26 PM 950 Views
PS the Takeshi Kovacs books are great, and you should all go read them *NM* - 23/04/2011 08:09:54 PM 407 Views
I'll add it to the list then, thanks. *MN* - 24/04/2011 03:19:09 AM 807 Views

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