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I agree with this. Nate Send a noteboard - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM
I think Tolkien is still relevant to modern day fantasy, but what Tolkien did is entirely different from what numerous modern writers are doing, particularly those like Martin, Abercrombie, or even Lynch and Stover. Even for more epic, quest-oriented adventure fantasy, there is a greater emphasis on character and a lesser emphasis on history and worldbuilding than what you saw in Tolkien.

Jordan might be the only modern fantasy writer I would say can be properly compared to Tolkien. They're different, but the Wheel of Time is the only modern fantasy series I know that approaches its world and its themes in a similar manner. (I freely admit that there could be better examples I simply haven't read.)

Calling Martin the American Tolkien is strange. I love Martin's books, don't get me wrong, but he's not even trying to be Tolkien. Tolkien wrote event-driven myths dipped in history and nobility. Martin writes character-driven socio-political conflicts dipped in primal magic.

I think that modern authors still know (and mostly appreciate) their Tolkien, but Dark Knight may be correct that they don't directly take their cues from him any longer. The genre has expanded significantly over the past thirty years. But it's also fair to say that the concept of fully realized imaginary worlds, still very much active in modern fantasy, owes its popular genesis to Tolkien, and in that respect fantasy has not entirely escaped his shadow.
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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 3051 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 1905 Views
I agree with this. - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 1943 Views
Re: I agree with this. - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 1874 Views
Exactly *NM* - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 1006 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 1795 Views
Larry, - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 1822 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1737 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 770 Views
makes me wonder... - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1725 Views
Re: makes me wonder... - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1672 Views
Well-deserved condescension. - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 1900 Views
You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 2082 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 1798 Views
Re: You're sure about that? - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 1676 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1717 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1738 Views
My school was...not great. - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1759 Views
I'm 24. - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1673 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1605 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 1833 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1568 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 1991 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1653 Views
True - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 1773 Views
One note - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 1780 Views
Perhaps - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 1704 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 1753 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1583 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 885 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1660 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 934 Views
Uhh...uh... - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1688 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 1797 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1604 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1354 Views
I said as much in my comment - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1621 Views
What I don't like- - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 1724 Views
Why don't you name something, then? - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1665 Views
Sure. - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1501 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1602 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 1747 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1558 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 1712 Views
For the sake of argument ... - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1623 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1552 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 948 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 1726 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 732 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1694 Views
I know, John - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1592 Views
Re: I know, John - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 1674 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1577 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1651 Views
Same guy - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1722 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 876 Views
I have to agree. - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1709 Views
They're there for marketing - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1707 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 1827 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 862 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1634 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1577 Views
That's true. - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1561 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1670 Views
When they don't work, yes. - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1659 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1635 Views
Yes *NM* - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 1003 Views

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