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Perhaps Larry Send a noteboard - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM
Some knee-jerk reactions that don't really refute what we're saying, a few ad hominems, some interesting input from people who aren't dismissing us out of hand...the same as when I posted my "In Defense of Other Fiction" but with far less outcry since it's a repeat discussion on a topic we've commented on multiple times.

That plus some aren't Tolkienistas here, which might have diluted the outcry. Sad part is whether we be nice or blunt about urging others to read more than just more of the same, there's little chance of that happening here on a large scale.

I actually think that both of you have more impact than you think. I think that people DO pick up some of what you suggest, and that they do often try to broaden themselves. I know I have, and I have heard the same from others (not just the people you expect) over my time here. The problem is that people don't necessarily feel up to discussing these things when they feel like they might be treated like idiots.:P I may be flavoring this a little too much with my own feelings on the matter, but I don't think I'm far wrong.


I'll be honest in saying that I visit regularly for only a few people who post on this particular board (see the sporadic visits to the other boards) because it's hard for that impact to translate into actual discussion. After nearly a dozen years, I think I can safely say it's difficult to find any forum that discusses literature above a cursory level. Incidentally, a friend of mine and I are planning on starting a new lit blog in the coming weeks as both of us are tired of being pigeonholed and we want to cover non-genre works in a suitable fashion. I think it might be a great challenge to discuss Twain, Thoreau, Gogol (the planned blog name is Gogol's Overcoat), Céline, and several others; hopefully, there will eventually be an audience for it, since there aren't as many lit blogs doing what I or certain others do whenever we cover genre books.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? Dark Knight - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 3338 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 2168 Views
I agree with this. Nate - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 2250 Views
Re: I agree with this. DomA - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 2187 Views
Exactly *NM* ironclad - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 1165 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him Larry - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 2114 Views
Larry, Macharius - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 2123 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. Ghavrel - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1994 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 906 Views
makes me wonder... LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 2017 Views
Re: makes me wonder... James - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1967 Views
Well-deserved condescension. Tom - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 2164 Views
You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 2407 Views
Re: You're sure about that? James - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 2070 Views
Re: You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 2018 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 2025 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 2022 Views
My school was...not great. James - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 2029 Views
I'm 24. James - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1993 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1883 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read Larry - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 2122 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? Tom - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1879 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews Larry - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 2286 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is Tom - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1930 Views
True Larry - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 2054 Views
One note nossy - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 2058 Views
Perhaps Larry - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 2027 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... Narg - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 2049 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1895 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 1020 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? Legolas - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1990 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 1082 Views
Uhh...uh... Larry - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1968 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 2089 Views
I've discussed this dozens of times at this site. Perhaps you've missed all of the posts. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:57:44 PM 2117 Views
mk I'll go look. I probably did miss it (or at least don't remember it!) LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 09:08:02 PM 1987 Views
I have a successful career that was inspired by the video games I played as a child. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 05:52:21 PM 1110 Views
Now let's get all the people who just pissed their lives away with video games and see the %. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:58:42 PM 2125 Views
The majority of players neither waste their lives nor make a career out of it. lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 11:29:29 PM 2027 Views
Yeah, sorry, I don't think you could say that with a straight face in real life. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:13:52 AM 1074 Views
Then you have a closed mind on the subject. Ironic, considering your stance on edification. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 05:47:50 AM 996 Views
No, just with respect to you. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 02:00:15 PM 1045 Views
Tom, you pulled the "Say that to my face!" line. You lost the right to talk about respect. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 03:20:15 PM 1109 Views
Once again, I really don't care what you think. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 03:37:40 PM 1048 Views
Did I imply that you did? My apologies. I'd hate to insinuate that you'd stoop that low. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 04:13:25 PM 992 Views
As well read as you seem to be, you think you'd be smart enough... MonCul - 11/12/2011 06:20:06 PM 1964 Views
I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:44:58 PM 1870 Views
Re: I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:04:37 PM 1927 Views
That statement has just confused me. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:06:53 PM 1896 Views
Re: That statement has just confused me. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:14:27 PM 1931 Views
I never learned Hittite. I had a book on pre-order for a long time but never ended up getting it. Tom - 12/12/2011 05:41:03 PM 1840 Views
What you have made clear, I think, is the fact that you deal in generalizations and stereotypes. MonCul - 12/12/2011 10:12:12 PM 2069 Views
There's an unintentional irony in what you say, alas Larry - 13/12/2011 12:44:26 AM 1968 Views
Tom, Dick, or Larry...you may use your true first name, but you're still an anonymous entity to most MonCul - 13/12/2011 04:49:35 AM 2217 Views
With such comeback skills, you must have ruled the playgrounds as a kid, no? Larry - 13/12/2011 05:21:42 AM 2123 Views
I thought it was a pretty good comeback. MonCul - 13/12/2011 12:37:15 PM 2071 Views
Think again, Skippy Larry - 13/12/2011 01:34:41 PM 1982 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? Larry - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1902 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. Legolas - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1645 Views
I said as much in my comment Larry - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1892 Views
What I don't like- rebelaessedai - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 2029 Views
Why don't you name something, then? Tom - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1980 Views
Sure. rebelaessedai - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1799 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. Tom - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1893 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 2054 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1812 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 2033 Views
For the sake of argument ... Nate - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1977 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1823 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* Vivien - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 1105 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me Larry - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 2039 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 877 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. Macharius - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1960 Views
I know, John Larry - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1887 Views
Re: I know, John Macharius - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 2010 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Larry - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1882 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Macharius - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1943 Views
Same guy Larry - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1987 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 1024 Views
Blurbs are not generally very original in their comparisons - would kind of defeat their purpose. Legolas - 09/12/2011 10:42:17 PM 2004 Views
I have to agree. ? - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1969 Views
They're there for marketing A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1984 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway DomA - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 2170 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 1059 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1945 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. Tom - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1869 Views
That's true. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1835 Views
But see, that's where things start to get referred back to Tolkien. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:30:12 AM 2030 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. Cannoli - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 2022 Views
When they don't work, yes. nossy - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1957 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. everynametaken - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1894 Views
No, because the movies are very contemporary and relevant, thus he will remain so for quite a while. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:14:53 AM 1995 Views
Disagree all you want, but LotR is still the touchstone when it comes to works of fantasy. Vodalus - 12/12/2011 03:48:20 AM 1889 Views
Yes *NM* Hieshyn - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 1141 Views
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