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Perhaps Larry Send a noteboard - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM
Some knee-jerk reactions that don't really refute what we're saying, a few ad hominems, some interesting input from people who aren't dismissing us out of hand...the same as when I posted my "In Defense of Other Fiction" but with far less outcry since it's a repeat discussion on a topic we've commented on multiple times.

That plus some aren't Tolkienistas here, which might have diluted the outcry. Sad part is whether we be nice or blunt about urging others to read more than just more of the same, there's little chance of that happening here on a large scale.

I actually think that both of you have more impact than you think. I think that people DO pick up some of what you suggest, and that they do often try to broaden themselves. I know I have, and I have heard the same from others (not just the people you expect) over my time here. The problem is that people don't necessarily feel up to discussing these things when they feel like they might be treated like idiots.:P I may be flavoring this a little too much with my own feelings on the matter, but I don't think I'm far wrong.


I'll be honest in saying that I visit regularly for only a few people who post on this particular board (see the sporadic visits to the other boards) because it's hard for that impact to translate into actual discussion. After nearly a dozen years, I think I can safely say it's difficult to find any forum that discusses literature above a cursory level. Incidentally, a friend of mine and I are planning on starting a new lit blog in the coming weeks as both of us are tired of being pigeonholed and we want to cover non-genre works in a suitable fashion. I think it might be a great challenge to discuss Twain, Thoreau, Gogol (the planned blog name is Gogol's Overcoat), Céline, and several others; hopefully, there will eventually be an audience for it, since there aren't as many lit blogs doing what I or certain others do whenever we cover genre books.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? Dark Knight - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 3283 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 2119 Views
I agree with this. Nate - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 2178 Views
Re: I agree with this. DomA - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 2131 Views
Exactly *NM* ironclad - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 1122 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him Larry - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 2067 Views
Larry, Macharius - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 2072 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. Ghavrel - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1941 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 876 Views
makes me wonder... LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1961 Views
Re: makes me wonder... James - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1909 Views
Well-deserved condescension. Tom - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 2103 Views
You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 2351 Views
Re: You're sure about that? James - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 2013 Views
Re: You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 1949 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1952 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1974 Views
My school was...not great. James - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1976 Views
I'm 24. James - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1932 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1815 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read Larry - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 2066 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? Tom - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1825 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews Larry - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 2218 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is Tom - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1876 Views
True Larry - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 2004 Views
One note nossy - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 2007 Views
Perhaps Larry - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 1957 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... Narg - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 2004 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1835 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 990 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? Legolas - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1932 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 1050 Views
Uhh...uh... Larry - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1913 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 2045 Views
I've discussed this dozens of times at this site. Perhaps you've missed all of the posts. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:57:44 PM 2048 Views
mk I'll go look. I probably did miss it (or at least don't remember it!) LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 09:08:02 PM 1937 Views
I have a successful career that was inspired by the video games I played as a child. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 05:52:21 PM 1081 Views
Now let's get all the people who just pissed their lives away with video games and see the %. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:58:42 PM 2069 Views
The majority of players neither waste their lives nor make a career out of it. lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 11:29:29 PM 1972 Views
Yeah, sorry, I don't think you could say that with a straight face in real life. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:13:52 AM 1045 Views
Then you have a closed mind on the subject. Ironic, considering your stance on edification. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 05:47:50 AM 965 Views
No, just with respect to you. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 02:00:15 PM 1015 Views
Tom, you pulled the "Say that to my face!" line. You lost the right to talk about respect. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 03:20:15 PM 1061 Views
Once again, I really don't care what you think. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 03:37:40 PM 1017 Views
Did I imply that you did? My apologies. I'd hate to insinuate that you'd stoop that low. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 04:13:25 PM 964 Views
As well read as you seem to be, you think you'd be smart enough... MonCul - 11/12/2011 06:20:06 PM 1910 Views
I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:44:58 PM 1816 Views
Re: I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:04:37 PM 1875 Views
That statement has just confused me. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:06:53 PM 1830 Views
Re: That statement has just confused me. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:14:27 PM 1865 Views
I never learned Hittite. I had a book on pre-order for a long time but never ended up getting it. Tom - 12/12/2011 05:41:03 PM 1786 Views
What you have made clear, I think, is the fact that you deal in generalizations and stereotypes. MonCul - 12/12/2011 10:12:12 PM 2006 Views
There's an unintentional irony in what you say, alas Larry - 13/12/2011 12:44:26 AM 1905 Views
Tom, Dick, or Larry...you may use your true first name, but you're still an anonymous entity to most MonCul - 13/12/2011 04:49:35 AM 2162 Views
With such comeback skills, you must have ruled the playgrounds as a kid, no? Larry - 13/12/2011 05:21:42 AM 2074 Views
I thought it was a pretty good comeback. MonCul - 13/12/2011 12:37:15 PM 2023 Views
Think again, Skippy Larry - 13/12/2011 01:34:41 PM 1930 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? Larry - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1845 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. Legolas - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1591 Views
I said as much in my comment Larry - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1839 Views
What I don't like- rebelaessedai - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 1971 Views
Why don't you name something, then? Tom - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1898 Views
Sure. rebelaessedai - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1739 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. Tom - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1842 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 1988 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1746 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 1977 Views
For the sake of argument ... Nate - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1925 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1777 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* Vivien - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 1076 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me Larry - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 1986 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 849 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. Macharius - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1906 Views
I know, John Larry - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1818 Views
Re: I know, John Macharius - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 1939 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Larry - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1812 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Macharius - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1888 Views
Same guy Larry - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1935 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 996 Views
Blurbs are not generally very original in their comparisons - would kind of defeat their purpose. Legolas - 09/12/2011 10:42:17 PM 1932 Views
I have to agree. ? - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1915 Views
They're there for marketing A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1921 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway DomA - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 2102 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 996 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1894 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. Tom - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1815 Views
That's true. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1787 Views
But see, that's where things start to get referred back to Tolkien. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:30:12 AM 1972 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. Cannoli - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1968 Views
When they don't work, yes. nossy - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1908 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. everynametaken - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1840 Views
No, because the movies are very contemporary and relevant, thus he will remain so for quite a while. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:14:53 AM 1934 Views
Disagree all you want, but LotR is still the touchstone when it comes to works of fantasy. Vodalus - 12/12/2011 03:48:20 AM 1819 Views
Yes *NM* Hieshyn - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 1111 Views
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