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More than just those Larry Send a noteboard - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM
...they are all sad rape fantasists in my book. I absolutely believe they are getting off on it and it is one of the reasons I stopped reading any of them after the 1st book. I don't think there is any wider cultural conservative oppression in their writing, that would give them too much credit.

At worst they are just getting their jollies, at best they do not have the emotional intelligence to write on the subject and should have been told to steer clear long ago.


Abercrombie, Morgan, Bakker...hrmm...I probably could go further, but it just seems that violence is the core upon which all else in those fictions are predicated. It may just simply be something endemic in the form of fantasy that several choose to write.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 2114 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1531 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1381 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1395 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1390 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1285 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1238 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1196 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1244 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1412 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1294 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1269 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1340 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1379 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1320 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1475 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1463 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1246 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 1211 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1383 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1370 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1210 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 1099 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1130 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1232 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1193 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1193 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1312 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 596 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1413 Views
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