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You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM
What I'm objecting to is the description of event in gratuitous detail, not the occurance of events themselves. I turned away from Martin and Bakker not because I was personally disgusted and affected by the content (I wasn't), but because I felt they were going into details unnecessary to the story being told (or more properly, to the story I was trying to read). "Gritty" content is rarely more than unnecessary page bloat for authors trying to "be cool" by exploring the darker depths of the human experience.

Again, I say:

historical background is no excuse for making a spectacle of the worst parts in the name of "authenticity".


What war isn't staggeringly brutal and violent? Just because America's wars in the last 20 years have been extraordinarily clean by historical standards is no cause for us to dismiss what set that same standard in the first place.

And quite right, I won't be reading them.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1955 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1361 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1230 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1238 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1229 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1136 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1093 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1055 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1097 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1263 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1137 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1112 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1179 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1228 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1152 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1316 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1292 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1091 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 1076 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1210 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1192 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1062 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 955 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 998 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1070 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1048 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1032 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1171 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 526 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1242 Views
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