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Re: More than just those dacole Send a noteboard - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM
...they are all sad rape fantasists in my book. I absolutely believe they are getting off on it and it is one of the reasons I stopped reading any of them after the 1st book. I don't think there is any wider cultural conservative oppression in their writing, that would give them too much credit.

At worst they are just getting their jollies, at best they do not have the emotional intelligence to write on the subject and should have been told to steer clear long ago.


Abercrombie, Morgan, Bakker...hrmm...I probably could go further, but it just seems that violence is the core upon which all else in those fictions are predicated. It may just simply be something endemic in the form of fantasy that several choose to write.


They all have to do with physical conflict, war, and revolution yes. But um so does much of life. I truly hope you are not saying that all conflict in works now should somehow be non violent in nature...that would be unbelievably ridiculous. Much of life is and will be violent and that should be shown in the art. Human nature being what it is and very unlikely to change.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1955 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1362 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1231 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1238 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1229 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1137 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1094 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1056 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1097 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1263 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1137 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1112 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1179 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1228 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1152 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1316 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1292 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1091 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 1077 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1210 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1192 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1063 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 955 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 998 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1070 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1048 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1032 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1171 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 526 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1243 Views
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