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Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole Send a noteboard - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM
I ask this because for the most part my observation of such is that "gritty" has meant the inclusion of detailed descriptions of violence, sexuality, profanity, etc (usually all rolled up into one) to enhance "realism" when the effect to me comes across as shock-value entertainment with no real purpose other than the spectactle of itself.

If people want that kind of shock entertainment, that's perfectly fine: indeed, I'm happy they have a source from which to indulge their interests.

For myself, however, the most notorious authors of such works (Goodkind, Martin, Bakker) have been the only authors whose books I never enjoyed and have been the only series I've never finished reading. In particular, I disliked Bakker so much I had to resort to skimming the latter half of the first book just to find out out happens when the description of the book and premise of the series is one I would normally find extremely interesting.




Hmm Gritty has to do with that yes but I would say think of it more like b5 than star trek. Human nature being self interested and like in the real world, the good guys not always winning and who the good guys are being in question. I would say it is a response to the overly simple good vs evil narratives in much of fantasy fiction. Anime does this very well.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1830 Views
Hm, ok. - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1237 Views
I think we largely agree - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1115 Views
Re: Hm, ok. - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1109 Views
Martin, Goodkind... - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1125 Views
More than just those - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1055 Views
Re: More than just those - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 979 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 959 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1002 Views
There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1161 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1031 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1013 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1061 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1133 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1040 Views
And that makes sense? - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1189 Views
Yes and no. - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1158 Views
Re: Yes and no. - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1018 Views
Re: And that makes sense? - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1097 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 964 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 872 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 919 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 943 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 960 Views
That's my general take as well - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 950 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1078 Views
I like violence *NM* - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 472 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1146 Views

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