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I think this is where I became quite impressed with Lynch's plotting. Rebekah Send a noteboard - 30/07/2013 02:20:31 PM

View original postBut when I first read it, I thought that they would wriggle their way through it somehow. I thought that the Falconer really did intend to protect Locke. But the whole thing was an elaborate charade to get Locke killed and to put Barsavi at ease. Of course, the Grey King could have killed Locke and his gang at any time, and he could have killed Barsavi at any time too. But he needed to kill Barsavi in front of all his people, so binding that up with his plan to kill the gang was fairly efficient. But as we'll see soon, he was a little too efficient.

I remember thinking that too, at least the protection bit at this point.

And that's one thing I find really impressive about this scene. You get the confirmation of the "Grey King's" invulnerability with the arrows, and then that's immediately turned on its head by one guy just walking up to him and touching him. The moment of relief before the horror.

View original postSo it caught me by surprise, the first time, and it was pretty shocking when the Falconer straight up abandons him and Locke gets sealed into a cask of horse urine. How do you even gather that much horse urine? I don't want to be the henchman who gets that assignment.

Right? I guess it's amazing what fear will help a guy do.

In retrospect, I feel like it should have been more obvious what was going to happen, but that's probably just me thinking I'm smarter than I am. (And I really have forgotten almost everything about this book, which surprises me given how much I enjoyed it the first time around.)

View original postThe gang really isn't used to this. Normally they have months to prepare for their games, working out every detail and making every preparation. But this time, it's the other way around. Their enemies have been studying them instead, learning their secrets and preparing for how to beat them and take their money, while the gang has to react to situations without proper planning. So it's no wonder they're getting beaten. But the Grey King and the Falconer underestimate what they can do with just a little bit of time.

I liked that a lot, the gang getting a good taste of their own medicine, even though it ended up with Calo, Galdo and Bug dying. (Honestly, I didn't much care for Bug anyway - he was too much of a cipher, imo - but Calo & Galdo were lovely characters.)

View original postIf Locke had disposed of his pride and his eagerness to outwit everyone and everything, and if the gang had fled the city with their money, do you think they would have gotten away? That implication is present in the text, but if the Falconer was keeping an eye on them, it's possible that he would have simply killed them and taken the money if they tried. After all, there surely would have been some other way to get Barsavi to open his doors, and the gang's white iron was one of the Grey King's primary goals so that he could pay off his bondsmage.

I don't think they would have. At least, the way I read the Grey King's character (and that of the Falconer) means that he'd have had them killed if they tried to get away. It wouldn't have been difficult for the Falconer to keep an eye on all exits from the city, I assume, especially with the freaky bird watching them.

View original postThe Bondsmagi are pretty cool, by the way. Theirs is a soft magic, with ill-defined rules, but that's all right. They're mysterious, powerful, and intimidating. A guild that's completely destroyed all uses of magic that aren't their own, and who think themselves invincible because of how well it's known that they will destroy anyone who kills one of their members. They're a highly effective and troubling foe. I can't wait to see Locke and Jean have to deal with them later in the series (though I suspect that they aren't the final enemy, so to speak).

I'd definitely like to know more about them, so I'm looking forward to that with the new book.

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Reread: The Lies of Locke Lamora by Scott Lynch Rebekah - 03/06/2013 10:07:06 AM 1480 Views

The Prologue Rebekah - 03/06/2013 10:08:39 AM 1125 Views

Re: The Prologue Nate - 04/06/2013 09:09:56 PM 1223 Views

Re: The Prologue Rebekah - 10/06/2013 03:34:28 PM 1172 Views

It had been years and years since I'd read this, so I don't remember most of the plot... Legolas - 05/06/2013 10:17:21 PM 1057 Views

Re: It had been years and years since I'd read this, so I don't remember most of the plot... Rebekah - 10/06/2013 03:35:48 PM 975 Views

I'd forgotten most of this. Rebekah - 10/06/2013 03:32:26 PM 974 Views

Chapters One and Two. Rebekah - 10/06/2013 03:36:57 PM 984 Views

I was waiting for someone else to go first. Nate - 13/06/2013 03:39:31 PM 1101 Views

What do you mean by "lampshading"? Rebekah - 18/06/2013 02:52:46 PM 1085 Views

I will explain! It requires Chapter Three information. Nate - 18/06/2013 03:55:55 PM 988 Views

Thanks; I'd never seen the term before. *NM* Rebekah - 25/06/2013 04:57:47 PM 461 Views

Falling somewhat behind, but I'm still participating in this... Legolas - 02/07/2013 10:50:27 PM 1515 Views

Re: Falling somewhat behind, but I'm still participating in this... Nate - 03/07/2013 05:21:34 AM 968 Views

Not as entranced as I thought I would be. Rebekah - 18/06/2013 02:47:24 PM 959 Views

Re: Descriptions Nate - 24/06/2013 05:00:34 PM 1069 Views

Re: Descriptions Rebekah - 25/06/2013 04:59:28 PM 1009 Views

I'm inclined to agree with that assessment. Legolas - 02/07/2013 10:54:32 PM 1179 Views

Chapters 3 and 4. Rebekah - 18/06/2013 02:53:34 PM 965 Views

Initial thought: Rebekah - 18/06/2013 02:55:52 PM 967 Views

This is another one with messed up timelines. Nate - 24/06/2013 04:47:16 PM 3193 Views

Re: This is another one with messed up timelines. Rebekah - 25/06/2013 05:01:35 PM 2855 Views

It's funny - your comment above had spoiled me so... Legolas - 08/08/2013 05:25:31 PM 1110 Views

Re: Sabetha Nate - 08/08/2013 05:42:18 PM 1010 Views

The first part of the book is a little slow, I've decided. Rebekah - 25/06/2013 05:05:45 PM 964 Views

It does really pick up, doesn't it? Legolas - 13/08/2013 10:37:26 PM 869 Views

Chapters 5 and 6. *NM* Rebekah - 25/06/2013 05:06:10 PM 429 Views

Things really pick up now. Rebekah - 28/06/2013 04:04:27 PM 1031 Views

Re: Women (spoilers) Nate - 01/07/2013 04:56:07 PM 1028 Views

Re: Things really pick up now. Legolas - 13/08/2013 10:56:37 PM 1050 Views

Chapters 7 and 8. Rebekah - 10/07/2013 06:22:02 PM 1046 Views

I finally grabbed my book off the shelf so I could see what these chapters were. Nate - 16/07/2013 03:45:50 PM 1065 Views

I'll come back to actually reply, but I just wanted to let you know that I've read this. *NM* Rebekah - 24/07/2013 06:35:54 PM 450 Views

I think this is where I became quite impressed with Lynch's plotting. Rebekah - 30/07/2013 02:20:31 PM 1582 Views

Chapters 9 and 10. *NM* Rebekah - 10/07/2013 06:22:22 PM 489 Views

Lynch can be such a tease. Nate - 16/07/2013 04:35:51 PM 1094 Views

I love Doña Vorchenza Rebekah - 30/07/2013 02:28:30 PM 1106 Views

Chapters 11 and 12. *NM* Rebekah - 24/07/2013 06:34:25 PM 451 Views

Lynch is ruthless in these chapters. Rebekah - 30/07/2013 02:40:19 PM 1088 Views

Poor everyone. Nate - 02/08/2013 11:04:34 PM 1037 Views

Chapters 13 and 14. *NM* Rebekah - 24/07/2013 06:34:41 PM 477 Views

These are very satisfying chapters, on the whole. Rebekah - 30/07/2013 03:11:28 PM 1044 Views

Locke's scheme is probably one of my two favourite sequences in the book. Nate - 02/08/2013 11:13:40 PM 1052 Views

Those interludes suddenly started to remind me very strongly of Lost. Legolas - 14/08/2013 09:01:04 PM 1654 Views

Chapters 15 and 16 and the epilogue. *NM* Rebekah - 30/07/2013 02:09:39 PM 453 Views

Disappointing, on the whole, I felt. Legolas - 14/08/2013 09:25:31 PM 1084 Views

I liked parts of it, but you make good points. Nate - 15/08/2013 05:45:14 PM 1195 Views

Yeah, I liked parts too - but still. Legolas - 15/08/2013 06:54:19 PM 1013 Views

I enjoyed it enough to overlook any deficiencies, apparently. Rebekah - 21/08/2013 08:09:54 PM 1150 Views

Re: Disappointing, on the whole, I felt. Aviendha - 22/09/2013 11:22:19 PM 1094 Views

Oh my. Legolas - 23/09/2013 06:00:44 PM 986 Views

Re: Oh my. Aviendha - 09/10/2013 10:12:55 PM 1022 Views

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<quote id="277946">But when I first read it, I thought that they would wriggle their way through it somehow. I thought that the Falconer really did intend to protect Locke. But the whole thing was an elaborate charade to get Locke killed and to put Barsavi at ease. Of course, the Grey King could have killed Locke and his gang at any time, and he could have killed Barsavi at any time too. But he needed to kill Barsavi in front of all his people, so binding that up with his plan to kill the gang was fairly efficient. But as we'll see soon, he was a little <i>too</i> efficient.</quote>
I remember thinking that too, at least the protection bit at this point.

<quote id="277946">So it caught me by surprise, the first time, and it was pretty shocking when the Falconer straight up abandons him and Locke gets sealed into a cask of horse urine. How do you even gather that much horse urine? I don't want to be the henchman who gets <i>that</i> assignment.</quote>
Right? I guess it's amazing what fear will help a guy do. ;)

In retrospect, I feel like it should have been more obvious what was going to happen, but that's probably just me thinking I'm smarter than I am. :P (And I really have forgotten almost everything about this book, which surprises me given how much I enjoyed it the first time around.)

<quote id="277946">The gang really isn't used to this. Normally they have months to prepare for their games, working out every detail and making every preparation. But this time, it's the other way around. Their enemies have been studying them instead, learning their secrets and preparing for how to beat them and take their money, while the gang has to react to situations without proper planning. So it's no wonder they're getting beaten. But the Grey King and the Falconer underestimate what they can do with just a little bit of time.</quote>
I liked that a lot, the gang getting a good taste of their own medicine, even though it ended up with Calo, Galdo and Bug dying. (Honestly, I didn't much care for Bug anyway - he was too much of a cipher, imo - but Calo & Galdo were lovely characters.)

<quote id="277946">If Locke had disposed of his pride and his eagerness to outwit everyone and everything, and if the gang had fled the city with their money, do you think they would have gotten away? That implication is present in the text, but if the Falconer was keeping an eye on them, it's possible that he would have simply killed them and taken the money if they tried. After all, there surely would have been some other way to get Barsavi to open his doors, and the gang's white iron was one of the Grey King's primary goals so that he could pay off his bondsmage.</quote>
I don't think they would have. At least, the way I read the Grey King's character (and that of the Falconer) means that he'd have had them killed if they tried to get away. It wouldn't have been difficult for the Falconer to keep an eye on all exits from the city, I assume, especially with the freaky bird watching them.

<quote id="277946">The Bondsmagi are pretty cool, by the way. Theirs is a soft magic, with ill-defined rules, but that's all right. They're mysterious, powerful, and intimidating. A guild that's completely destroyed all uses of magic that aren't their own, and who think themselves invincible because of how well it's known that they will destroy anyone who kills one of their members. They're a highly effective and troubling foe. I can't wait to see Locke and Jean have to deal with them later in the series (though I suspect that they aren't the final enemy, so to speak).</quote>
I'd definitely like to know more about them, so I'm looking forward to that with the new book.
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