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I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead Send a noteboard - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM
Sorry, posted that in the wrong place.

Mieville's place is down to writing talent, which he has in spades, storytelling abilities, worldbuilding, characters (although he is a little bit weaker in this area than some others) and the underrated ability to come up with good monsters.

His role in popularising the New Weird - which was merely a codifying of an existing subgenre consisting of THE DYING EARTH, Brian Aldiss' HOTHOUSE (an SF-rationalised version of the New Weird, anyway), THE BOOK OF THE NEW SUN, VIRICONIUM and the PLANESCAPE D&D setting - is also noteworthy but I think overrated. He didn't create it.

I don't find his politics too intrusive, although I point out that I have not read IRON COUNCIL, which is where they apparently go into overdrive (and is also reportedly his worst novel). Based on PERDIDO STREET STATION, UN LUN DUN, THE CITY AND THE CITY and his remarkable short fiction in LOOKING FOR JAKE, he is more than worthy of inclusion on such a list. UN LUN DUN was probably the best fantasy novel released in 2007 and THE CITY AND THE CITY is up there for this year.

I still need to read IRON COUNCIL, KING RAT and THE SCAR though.
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Six best fantasy novels? Larry - 04/12/2009 05:54:54 AM 1983 Views
Best fantasy authors Tavi - 04/12/2009 07:01:48 AM 1678 Views
Have you read Robin Hobb? *NM* Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:01:23 PM 845 Views
I have, and wasn't really impressed Tavi - 04/12/2009 10:08:25 PM 1495 Views
You definitely read the wrong stuff first Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:12:07 AM 1609 Views
Agreed. unr3stricted - 09/12/2009 09:55:12 PM 1476 Views
Only read two. Book of the New Sun definitely deserves that spot. Mieville, not so much. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:06:45 AM 1664 Views
Interesting. Werthead - 04/12/2009 05:21:04 PM 1529 Views
Why Mieville, if I may ask? *NM* Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 08:33:43 PM 851 Views
I didn't mean that to be a reply to you, but still Werthead - 05/12/2009 03:15:36 AM 1652 Views
No worries. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:52:11 AM 1547 Views
But the list was for favorite books, not favorite or most important authors A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:25:13 AM 1462 Views
It was for "best" books. I realize that has a lot of meanings, though. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:37:01 PM 689 Views
Hm... good point A Deathwatch Guard - 06/12/2009 02:19:13 AM 1257 Views
Glen Cook is radically overrated. Werthead - 05/12/2009 04:09:07 PM 1609 Views
Well, he's at least part of the wave that humanized fantasy. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 08:36:29 PM 1396 Views
In the US, yes. Elsewhere, no, because they didn't know about him. Werthead - 06/12/2009 04:36:31 PM 1478 Views
Interesting. Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:15:37 AM 1426 Views
Two years? It was published in 2000... *NM* Legolas - 05/12/2009 09:03:33 PM 599 Views
Nine years is like two. *NM* Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:25:49 AM 763 Views
I've yet to read a Gene Wolfe. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:26:54 AM 1417 Views
Yes, yes, yes. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 02:35:45 AM 1370 Views
You know I directly added almost all of those Wolfe quotes there, right? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:26:40 AM 1499 Views
I just find Mieville's prose exceptionally standard. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 07:25:05 AM 1520 Views
Isn't that almost a contradiction of terms there? Larry - 06/12/2009 07:45:47 AM 1425 Views
It's remarkable for its normalcy because so many people praise it? Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 09:11:18 AM 1347 Views
Who the heck are these people? *NM* ironclad - 04/12/2009 12:46:48 PM 827 Views
I've never heard of any of them either.... *NM* Fantasy - 05/12/2009 02:58:11 AM 1129 Views
Literati Larry - 06/12/2009 05:27:28 AM 1380 Views
Yeah you're so much better than us *NM* ironclad - 06/12/2009 12:00:27 PM 756 Views
Well, you can hardly expect a group to go around calling themselves "elitist snobs." *NM* Ghavrel - 07/12/2009 02:16:16 AM 729 Views
Is he trying to be cool by listing stuff that 90% of fantasy readers have never heard of? Deadsy - 04/12/2009 04:05:46 PM 1429 Views
Actually, several of those books have been bestsellers and/or won several genre awards Larry - 06/12/2009 05:28:18 AM 1422 Views
I'm very ambivalent about A Wizard of Earthsea AgentOrange - 04/12/2009 05:18:00 PM 1419 Views
Possibly has to do with the times in which it was written/read Larry - 06/12/2009 05:29:27 AM 1377 Views
My Best Six best fantasy novels Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:44:12 PM 1161 Views
Re: My Best Six best fantasy novels *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:45:25 PM 656 Views
oops! *NM* Nolan - 04/12/2009 07:46:34 PM 697 Views
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I really need to get around to reading Mists of Avalon. Ghavrel - 04/12/2009 09:50:54 PM 1331 Views
Calenture Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:44:14 AM 1298 Views
That... sounds so cool. I'm going to check it out as soon as I get home. Ghavrel - 05/12/2009 03:53:55 AM 1383 Views
Ooh, I need to get my hands on Calenture. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:27:34 AM 745 Views
And ha! I thought it might be you. *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:29:13 AM 745 Views
I'll eventually get to those in the near future Larry - 06/12/2009 05:31:29 AM 1426 Views
I don't read or buy books anymore. Aeryn - 06/12/2009 11:45:33 PM 1417 Views
I understand that Larry - 07/12/2009 12:55:46 AM 1478 Views
Okay, I'll give it a shot Tom - 04/12/2009 10:12:47 PM 1520 Views
You might more mythopoeic material in your fantasies, don't you? *NM* Larry - 04/12/2009 11:22:33 PM 770 Views
Mythopoeic? Who...me? Tom - 05/12/2009 02:19:03 AM 1288 Views
Yes, you Larry - 05/12/2009 03:51:25 AM 1445 Views
The Blogger Seems to Agree With You. The Name With No Man - 05/12/2009 10:10:07 PM 1464 Views
Book of the New Sun is very early 80's and is almost inarguably a classic of the genre. Ghavrel - 06/12/2009 12:26:55 AM 1477 Views
Never Read It, But All Accounts Support That View. The Name With No Man - 06/12/2009 02:44:17 PM 1564 Views
Bending the terms a bit... Larry - 04/12/2009 11:21:33 PM 1536 Views
n/a *NM* Aeryn - 05/12/2009 12:46:45 AM 685 Views
I like Grossman's list a lot more than Henry's. *NM* Legolas - 04/12/2009 11:41:36 PM 730 Views
Here are mine, but I probably haven't really read enough fantasy to have a top 5 Deadsy - 05/12/2009 12:16:13 AM 1308 Views
Have you tried any standalones recently? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:33:41 AM 1397 Views
I always end up wanting more Deadsy - 06/12/2009 05:53:11 AM 1388 Views
What if there were 50 more standalones that you could read that likely would be quite good? Larry - 06/12/2009 06:12:53 AM 1495 Views
The only one on his list I would think about agreeing with is Meiville. MightyYT - 05/12/2009 03:11:25 AM 1466 Views
Have you tried Mark Danielewski's House of Leaves yet? Larry - 06/12/2009 05:34:48 AM 1326 Views
No list is complete without Goodkind *NM* Choss Hauler - 05/12/2009 07:59:22 AM 785 Views
Sorry, I can't help it- no *porn* list is complete without Goodkind... *NM* rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:21:22 AM 615 Views
For me....: A Deathwatch Guard - 05/12/2009 10:36:42 AM 1512 Views
He certainly has a specific kind of taste. rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:20:30 AM 1329 Views
Pfft! Larry - 06/12/2009 06:54:24 AM 1239 Views
Who are you asking?? rebelaessedai - 07/12/2009 08:09:25 PM 1352 Views
Might give this a go myself... rebelaessedai - 06/12/2009 02:24:52 AM 1393 Views
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