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That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry Send a noteboard - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM
The Russian Revolution?

I'm especially curious to hear your thoughts about this particular topic as the background of the book was written by a product of the time period of the late Tsarist system/early Soviet System and its rare for Americans/Brits/non-Russian Euros to read anything about the Russian Revolution not told from the perspective of the Capitalist West.

Seven Days That Shook the World, plus several excerpts from my 20th century European Cultural History class, along with Bulgakov and Soltzhenitsyn, among others whose names escape me now. I just finished the book and will have a mini-essay on it ready in a few hours. The Russian topology and patronymic patterns did not confuse me much, due to previous exposure.


Most people don't learn much about the Russian Revolution. And here we have the backdrop set against the Russian Revolutions. How many students of history in high school even learn about the American involvement in the Russian Revolution?

So it is interesting for me to see who has a good background in history or specifically the Russian Revolution so they can understand from what perspective Pasternak is writing this. He stayed in Russia. That is a powerful thing when so many of his compatriots left.


I understood it as being a far more subtle, nuanced text than what the exiled or suppressed writers composed. As such, it was interesting to read between the lines in places. But then again, Pasternak does state things rather baldly there as well, especially with the sailor/train scene almost halfway into the novel and then for spurts afterwards, especially with the executions.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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So, let's talk about Doctor Zhivago. Tom - 15/03/2010 12:51:09 PM 1853 Views
I liked it a lot. wahooka - 15/03/2010 03:24:34 PM 1180 Views
I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:19:54 PM 1035 Views
Re: I mostly agree with your points, but I'm not sure Zhivago was ever disillusioned with revolution wahooka - 15/03/2010 09:57:29 PM 1134 Views
Yes, it's the Soviet state, not the revolution, that he hates. Tom - 15/03/2010 11:16:29 PM 965 Views
I see your point. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:36:30 PM 1071 Views
The idea of revolution was perpetual. In theory, anyway. The Shrike - 16/03/2010 12:30:46 AM 1122 Views
So far, so good ranagrande - 15/03/2010 03:58:44 PM 1092 Views
There are lots of good quotes. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:20:26 PM 935 Views
I have finally finished it. ranagrande - 22/03/2010 12:31:24 AM 1102 Views
There will be more later. Much more. So lets start at the beginning. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 04:22:15 PM 1018 Views
... I'm clearly lacking in braincells. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:03:35 PM 1122 Views
... yes, you moved to scotland? *NM* jh - 15/03/2010 05:42:21 PM 481 Views
It's not contagious! Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:47:41 PM 952 Views
It probably is. Don't worry, we still like you! *NM* Tom - 15/03/2010 09:55:07 PM 465 Views
I didn't notice the Anna Karenina connection. That's a good point. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:26:41 PM 1037 Views
Yes. Perhaps we should tell the non-Russian speakers/readers that the name of the protagonist, The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:22:39 PM 1165 Views
Zhivago is the Church Slavonic genitive singular of живой (zhivoi), "living" Tom - 15/03/2010 11:18:23 PM 989 Views
I knew those Larry - 15/03/2010 11:22:02 PM 1089 Views
I thought this was a great read, and I'm sure I've missed a lot, which will make a reread good too. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 05:16:19 PM 1145 Views
On balance, there IS a love story. Just not quite the one that most people think. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:34:20 PM 1077 Views
I noticed that as well Larry - 15/03/2010 09:42:04 PM 1160 Views
There is a lot of Christian eschatology, too Tom - 15/03/2010 09:46:59 PM 1042 Views
Yes Larry - 15/03/2010 11:23:23 PM 1217 Views
Yes. This is what I was going to say, just not as articulately. *NM* Rebekah - 15/03/2010 10:12:33 PM 418 Views
My initial thoughts Beqi - 15/03/2010 06:02:21 PM 1104 Views
Re: My initial thoughts wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:54:15 PM 1026 Views
Which idioms were you talking about? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:43:09 PM 1079 Views
Re: Which idioms were you talking about? wahooka - 15/03/2010 10:07:23 PM 1135 Views
The names are not quite as hard as it may seem at first Tom - 15/03/2010 09:41:06 PM 1031 Views
There appears to be a lull, so some background - How many of you have read anything about The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:19:07 PM 1049 Views
This is my first novel in that genre, fiction or non. Beqi - 15/03/2010 08:22:04 PM 927 Views
I've read bits & pieces. Rebekah - 15/03/2010 08:33:41 PM 1060 Views
Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 08:47:42 PM 1207 Views
Interestingly, I'm seeing parallels now that I'm reading Gibbon. Tom - 15/03/2010 09:53:15 PM 1061 Views
Koenker was mine for Soviet history. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:08:40 PM 1358 Views
Re: Ok, since you're interested, here is some "light" reading for you. Approach with caution. wahooka - 15/03/2010 11:05:22 PM 1123 Views
Thank you for calling it "light" reading. The quotation marks were comforting. Tashmere - 17/03/2010 09:56:26 AM 986 Views
I will read and respond to this when I remember to bring my glasses home from work! *NM* Rebekah - 17/03/2010 06:14:31 PM 414 Views
Finally got around to reading this. Thanks for sharing. *NM* Rebekah - 22/03/2010 04:45:24 PM 441 Views
You're welcome. *NM* The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:26 PM 415 Views
I knew a bit about it. wahooka - 15/03/2010 08:36:20 PM 1161 Views
Fiction or non-fiction? Larry - 15/03/2010 09:21:04 PM 1215 Views
Do you mean Ten Days that Shook the World by John Reed? Tom - 15/03/2010 09:54:34 PM 1033 Views
Ten...I was typing from memories of close to 15 years ago Larry - 15/03/2010 10:57:05 PM 1088 Views
Either, though specifically I was thinking of non-fiction. The Shrike - 15/03/2010 10:11:52 PM 1108 Views
That's what I was thinking of when I read it Larry - 15/03/2010 10:59:36 PM 1115 Views
Familiar with the history, though I've never exhaustively studied the time period. Jacob - 16/03/2010 02:20:23 PM 1084 Views
Enough to understand everything easily enough. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 930 Views
My own personal thoughts on Doctor Zhivago Tom - 15/03/2010 11:44:05 PM 1324 Views
This review has been helpful so far for me. Tashmere - 23/03/2010 11:39:51 PM 986 Views
Essay I just finished writing on the book Larry - 16/03/2010 01:26:23 AM 1478 Views
I'm really enjoying it. nossy - 16/03/2010 03:05:25 AM 1087 Views
Hey, if I can come late to the party, so can you. *NM* Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:04:15 AM 365 Views
I'm still sailing through it AgentOrange - 16/03/2010 09:25:34 PM 1162 Views
Why would you consider this a classic? What made it so good or profound for (plural) you? Tashmere - 16/03/2010 11:19:23 PM 1078 Views
Put a question mark at the end of the first sentence and read my response. *NM* Tom - 17/03/2010 12:09:58 AM 419 Views
Some questions. Rebekah - 19/03/2010 08:27:38 AM 991 Views
Class can be tricky given the Russian context. The Shrike - 19/03/2010 05:09:14 PM 1166 Views
Grand. Thanks for the answers. Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:33:18 PM 1076 Views
As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Tom - 19/03/2010 05:56:56 PM 1060 Views
Re: As an addendum to what Greg wrote: Rebekah - 20/03/2010 02:36:36 PM 1106 Views
No, Tonya was exiled. It was a fortune of timing. Tom - 20/03/2010 05:22:44 PM 1061 Views
The Possessed: Adventures with Russian Books and the People Who Read Them The Shrike - 21/03/2010 05:34:03 PM 1121 Views
It looks a bit strained to me. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:28:34 AM 960 Views
So far the reviews are pretty glowing, as are the Amazon reviewers. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 01:44:19 PM 1097 Views
In other news, I read about 100 pages of The Island at the Center of the World. Tom - 22/03/2010 03:48:47 PM 1021 Views
I figured that you would like it. The Shrike - 22/03/2010 05:14:06 PM 1151 Views
I finished it last night - the last 100+ pages rather fast, considering how long the whole took. Legolas - 21/04/2010 01:00:50 AM 845 Views
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