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Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
" Texts are not immutable, or else adherents to the world's religions would have single interpretations of their content."

You have just stated the fallacy of you position. The text IS immutable. The text is, as the author wrote it. The worlds religions differ because MAN decides to alter what a religious text states; either to further their position, or because they disagree with it. Sucks to be them, sucks to be you, the words on the page are not mutable. This is why I consider the entire though process behind "I can claim whatever meaning I can plausibly fabricate, because the author is dead and can not refute me." moral and intelectual cowardice.

The text, is the text, is the text. It is what it is, & only what it is. It means what the author wrote. I shall prove it to you:

"The walls of my room are white."

now hit the back button on your commputer and then come to this page again (thank you for the second view :) ). Did the words change? Does the phrase above now state "I am afraid of individuals of Affrican decent"? Do they now read "Any room but mine is evil"? No they do not. They do not change, thus they are immutable. Your interpretation of them, as other than what they state, tell us nothing about the phrase (or a novel) only about you.

A critique would involve a discussion about how well the author conveyed his/her message. A review would tell how enjoyable receiving that message was. As for the immutable "truth" of the book, the author is on record about it already, I am not the source of it.

As for your definition of Ecology, yes it is semanticaly accurate; though coloqually archaic. By that definition ALL books have an "ecology" therefore all books are ecological. Therefore the labeling of Dune as an Ecological book would be both correct and completely pointless. A definition that broad, defines nothing, because it defines everything.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1291 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1346 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1147 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1206 Views
That was most of my issue. - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1067 Views
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Re: That was most of my issue. - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1005 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1153 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1083 Views
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Good points - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1114 Views
Re: Good points - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1056 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1064 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1168 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1041 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1028 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 941 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1087 Views
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Funny the things people focus on - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1050 Views
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1554 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 518 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1235 Views
Ecology goes more than one way - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1176 Views
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Everyone get something different from a book - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1441 Views
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1452 Views
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1313 Views
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 464 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 470 Views
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His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 939 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1130 Views
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read something else - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 977 Views
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