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But these men didn't disrespect anything. LiterateDog Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM
They're the ones who were disrespected by an establishment steeped in needless bigotry. They wore their uniforms to illustrate the fact that, in all other regards, they had been fit to serve the people of this nation.

As my Truman example further illustrates, you can't just go by what the average member of the military might think of the situation. If Truman had, segregation of the forces would have stayed the norm for the long term. Many think, and some evidence shows, that by desegregating the armed forces, the Civil Rights movement was accelerated because as men were forced to serve openly, as brothers-in-arms with men of different races, they came to understand that their bigotry made no sense.

So, by showing the civilians in this nation that these brave men were cast aside for reasons of bigotry, they're trying to pressure Obama to show the courage of Truman and do what's right. That's why they were right to wear the uniforms. They were good soldiers. They still could be.

By the way, just to be clear, I have every respect for the men and women who serve and for the institutions of the military. Every male in family for generations have served in every branch. I, of course, was precluded from doing so. Still, that doesn't change my positive feelings for our armed forces.
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...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 430 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 942 Views
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I've seen it. - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 869 Views
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Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 403 Views
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I second that UGH *NM* - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 389 Views
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you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 413 Views
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Re: I'm on their side, BUT - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 942 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 427 Views
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Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 882 Views
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Is he? - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 882 Views
Apparently - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 986 Views
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very true - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 910 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 940 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 930 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 835 Views
And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. - 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM 874 Views
Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 890 Views
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Well, I'm not convinced on that - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1211 Views
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Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 411 Views
Wow, - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 862 Views
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Le sigh. - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 833 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 946 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 932 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 849 Views

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