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the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same random thoughts Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM
The idea that all of your actions while in uniform reflect on everyone else in uniform is pretty deeply ingrained in the military culture. So if you are out there using your uniform to make a political statement that statement reflects on everyone else who wears that uniform. It isn't a question of if the statement is wrong or right it is a question of do you have the right to speak for all the other people wearing the uniform. If they were in uniform speaking out in support of DADT I would still call their actions disrespectful because it isn’t about what they said it is about what they were wearing when they said it.

When they speak for themselves and use their military service let lend it weight that that is fine, they earned it. They can even wear clothes with military symbols on them as long as it isn’t a uniform. The uniform represent all of us and not just all of us now but all those at York Town and Iowa Jima and Hamburger Hill and they damn sure have not earned the right to speak for them.
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I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider - 21/04/2010 05:29:45 AM 1349 Views
...did you read the article? They aren't in the military any more. *NM* - 21/04/2010 05:31:02 AM 398 Views
No, in or out it's a no-go - 21/04/2010 05:48:25 AM 850 Views
There needs to be a rule that stops soldiers from wearing uniforms in bars - 21/04/2010 06:55:37 AM 787 Views
But if you aren't wearing your uniform at the bar... - 21/04/2010 06:58:33 AM 786 Views
You wear a big sign that says I'M AWESOME: ASK ME HOW *NM* - 21/04/2010 07:01:45 AM 364 Views
Grabbing a beer with the guys after work is a pretty normal thing - 21/04/2010 07:45:16 AM 807 Views
I've seen it. - 21/04/2010 12:52:59 PM 790 Views
Not a very fair way to look at it - 21/04/2010 02:10:47 PM 827 Views
perhaps not on its own - 21/04/2010 07:06:09 PM 758 Views
Sadly that's not that uncommon - 21/04/2010 07:27:45 PM 869 Views
to be honest, I've probably met plenty of wonderful military people in the bars - 21/04/2010 07:41:30 PM 819 Views
Could be. - 22/04/2010 04:45:29 PM 785 Views
every think the problem might be the uptight college kids? *NM* - 22/04/2010 05:10:08 PM 344 Views
uptight college kids don't go drink in Aggieville. - 22/04/2010 07:17:17 PM 1015 Views
maybe I should have said stuck up college kids - 22/04/2010 08:29:18 PM 928 Views
Uhm, no, college towns can be quite different. - 22/04/2010 10:13:41 PM 740 Views
The navy and Marine do have rules against it at least for working uniforms - 21/04/2010 04:06:10 PM 822 Views
Like Buzz Aldrin wearing his on Dancing with the Stars. Ugh. *NM* - 21/04/2010 02:37:59 PM 372 Views
I'll bet he got permission to do that though. - 21/04/2010 03:26:43 PM 803 Views
well that was an air force uniform so it really doesn't count as military - 21/04/2010 04:00:27 PM 974 Views
I'll remind you of that next time you want air support ;-) - 21/04/2010 06:00:32 PM 839 Views
I am a Marine we have our own air support - 21/04/2010 06:15:01 PM 761 Views
Yeah - some of it pretty good too but still all small stuff - 21/04/2010 07:26:12 PM 793 Views
The F/A18 does OK - 21/04/2010 10:11:13 PM 724 Views
It's all right, but not the best choice - 22/04/2010 04:30:07 PM 790 Views
jack of all trades pretty much defines the Marines - 22/04/2010 05:13:21 PM 1152 Views
Oh not entirely - 22/04/2010 09:54:21 PM 1070 Views
I second that UGH *NM* - 21/04/2010 10:30:35 PM 348 Views
Hm. That seems to violate some significant 1st Amendment rights. - 21/04/2010 07:00:59 PM 770 Views
you forget that the military sign away their rights. *NM* - 21/04/2010 07:06:52 PM 379 Views
Re: I'm in favor of repealing DADT, but this made me briefly reconsider - 21/04/2010 05:36:48 AM 788 Views
Not in uniform. - 21/04/2010 05:38:50 AM 911 Views
oh puhlease - 21/04/2010 05:43:15 AM 845 Views
I agree with you, Aisha. - 21/04/2010 02:15:30 PM 968 Views
and another thing - 21/04/2010 05:38:53 AM 821 Views
I'm on their side, BUT - 21/04/2010 05:44:00 AM 798 Views
Re: I'm on their side, BUT - 21/04/2010 05:57:50 AM 865 Views
Like I said, we simply disagree *NM* - 21/04/2010 06:35:27 AM 395 Views
Thing is though - 21/04/2010 03:31:05 PM 899 Views
Sounds a bit like they are damned either way - 21/04/2010 11:01:36 AM 805 Views
A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. - 21/04/2010 02:28:40 PM 875 Views
Re: A soldier protesting a military doctrine has the right. - 21/04/2010 02:34:34 PM 797 Views
they don't have the right to use the uniform to make that free expression *NM* - 21/04/2010 02:39:45 PM 340 Views
The funny thing about it is - 21/04/2010 03:35:51 PM 903 Views
Re: The funny thing about it is - 21/04/2010 10:12:57 PM 763 Views
Actually -the question isn't right - 22/04/2010 04:38:03 PM 670 Views
What's bugging me is that Choi is still in - 22/04/2010 04:44:50 PM 735 Views
Is he? - 22/04/2010 04:47:37 PM 803 Views
Apparently - 22/04/2010 05:12:44 PM 908 Views
I think your attitude is likely to be common among active duty and vets alike. - 21/04/2010 02:44:29 PM 789 Views
Actually, darlin', we don't have to convince them. - 21/04/2010 03:34:49 PM 786 Views
very true - 21/04/2010 03:51:49 PM 807 Views
But these men didn't disrespect anything. - 21/04/2010 04:09:20 PM 853 Views
the problem is uniforms are about more than everyone dressing the same - 21/04/2010 05:55:31 PM 840 Views
The statistics show that nearly 70% of Americans think gay men and women should serve openly. - 21/04/2010 04:14:33 PM 751 Views
And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. - 21/04/2010 04:17:02 PM 781 Views
Re: And going back to the Truman example, he doesn't even have to show Truman's courage. - 21/04/2010 04:25:46 PM 807 Views
That dude is all talk about everything. - 21/04/2010 04:27:07 PM 910 Views
Well he wasn't all talk about Health care - 22/04/2010 04:44:39 PM 863 Views
Yes, the main thing he has followed through on is the most disastrous. - 22/04/2010 04:59:45 PM 655 Views
Well, I'm not convinced on that - 22/04/2010 10:02:58 PM 1113 Views
and I think they will get it - 21/04/2010 06:05:07 PM 911 Views
Civil disobedience against immoral government action often involves breaking the rules. *NM* - 21/04/2010 03:37:36 PM 378 Views
Wow, - 21/04/2010 04:04:42 PM 779 Views
I'm sure female protesters made a lot of people reconsider the suffrage movement. - 21/04/2010 04:09:37 PM 930 Views
Le sigh. - 21/04/2010 04:16:17 PM 749 Views
The bravey of those men is exactly what that 'clothing' stands for. - 21/04/2010 04:20:19 PM 863 Views
The above post was sarcasm, in case that wasn't clear... - 21/04/2010 04:43:44 PM 841 Views
I knew it was sarcasm. - 21/04/2010 04:54:11 PM 766 Views

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