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Not in American English, it doesn't. Sareitha Sedai Send a noteboard - 23/04/2010 05:13:15 PM
It is perhaps a case of using a bad example, but that example doesn't need the comma because the two parts are closely related. It's just a short list of what two different people like.

When the independent clauses are not as closely related as that then the comma is (most often) necessary.


There are times when the use of a comma is a style choice and there isn't a right or wrong answer. I would argue that the example given is such a time.

The problem with the grammar and punctuation "rules" we are taught at school is that they are usually only half the story. It's easier to teach that it's "I before E except after C" than "I before E except after C in words that rhyme with "ee" because children will remember the shorter one more easily. The problem is that then people think there are more execptions than the "rule" and thus think that rules are pointless in English. I think a similar problem has happened with the guidelines surrounding the use of commas.


Unless you want to argue that the two ideas aren't actually independent clauses, but I would disagree.

The use of "and" in the example sentence makes the comma necessary if the two clauses are both independent. Had he used a different joiner word (not a coordinating conjunction) instead, creating a dependent clause out of the 2nd one (such as in "I like owlbears although you like hobgoblins"), use of the comma would be incorrect.
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Actually, you don't need the comma in your first sentence. - 23/04/2010 08:37:42 AM 463 Views
Except to do the opposite of what he intended it - 23/04/2010 11:15:20 AM 463 Views
Mmm, yes he does. - 23/04/2010 03:38:06 PM 453 Views
Depends on the independent clauses. - 23/04/2010 04:58:27 PM 450 Views
Not in American English, it doesn't. - 23/04/2010 05:13:15 PM 488 Views
American English is crazy, yo. - 23/04/2010 05:51:44 PM 450 Views
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except that is an improper use of a semicolon. - 23/04/2010 04:24:00 PM 420 Views
If a comma is appropriate in the original supposition, then the semicolon is necessary here. - 23/04/2010 11:24:20 PM 423 Views
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