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Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM
Live close to the Mexican border and then weigh in on the issue. Illegal immigration is a HUGE problem. Undocumented workers are only making the unemployment problem bigger. Oh, and just a little tiny note, the drug cartels involved in the drug trade from Mexico are INSANE! (By the way, people who dabble in "recreational" drugs, do you know you are furthering the slaughter of thousands of people every year?)


By the way, you do know that the continued (and failing) "War on Drugs" continues to destroy hundreds and even thousands of families every year? You do know that the continued prohibition on recreational drugs does more damage than just getting over the stupid social taboos and legalizing and regulating usage? You do know that legalizing and regulating something like marijuana alone would do more damage to the cartels than the Mexican army and the DEA can ever hope to do?

You do know that an actual plan to try and process illegal immigrants would force businesses to treat them fairly as they could take actions against unfair treatment? You do realize that trying to enforce the current laws has been a miserable failure and that these new laws don't actually do anything to change that situation? You do see that this new legislation is just political horseshit? You do know Draconian measures historically never really do anything but cause more damage?

Yes, I do know how bad things are on the border as I have friends who live in Arizona. It is a serious problem that deserves real critical thinking and brainstorming on some real solutions, not just reactionary legislation based in politics rather than good logic.

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The Arizona immigration bill thingy BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2218 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? Aisha - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1298 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 1105 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 1004 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 885 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... Napoleon62 - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 1054 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* LiterateDog - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 500 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1164 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost Roland00 - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 1049 Views
It will only take a few times getting their asses sued off for detaining U.S. citizens against... everynametaken - 26/04/2010 05:54:49 AM 1087 Views
Yeah, I can't wait 'til a Latino state representative is arrested for looking illegal. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:26:13 AM 986 Views
or even better, a celebrity. I choose Antonia Banderas (when he has the funky beard hobo look) *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 12:32:18 PM 550 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border Dark Knight - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 991 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 1012 Views
I do. Brian - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1179 Views
Re: I do. everynametaken - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 1012 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar Brian - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 985 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1199 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 1073 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point moondog - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1655 Views
Some thoughts Amys - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 1115 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that random thoughts - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 986 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer moondog - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 1087 Views
Re: Some thoughts BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 979 Views
It's not just outrageous; it's plain stupid. The latter is almost as offensive as the former. Ghavrel - 26/04/2010 07:30:30 AM 1010 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something snoopcester - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 984 Views
What I find interesting about all this... Legolas - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 1092 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 1079 Views
It is interesting to see how it contrasts with your take on it, being from a country with them snoopcester - 26/04/2010 02:11:18 PM 1051 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 1045 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... Elaine - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 975 Views
I don't know about the green cards LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 1004 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 1001 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 946 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. Elaine - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 1088 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 918 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass random thoughts - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 1058 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 988 Views
I meant by the courts random thoughts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 890 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 460 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* Aisha - 26/04/2010 03:20:45 PM 515 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* beckstcw - 26/04/2010 06:53:32 PM 442 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass *NM* everynametaken - 26/04/2010 08:33:04 PM 478 Views
The federal government will be collective ass but it may help to get the law off their overturned *NM* beckstcw - 27/04/2010 05:33:42 AM 469 Views
Their collective ass will be overturned but it may help to get the law off the federal government *NM* BlackAdder - 27/04/2010 09:18:02 AM 445 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. Legolas - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 979 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 1001 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. Legolas - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 1020 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 947 Views
I agree with you Brian - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 969 Views
that is also true LadyLorraine - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 918 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 986 Views
the differences really are not that minor random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 1030 Views
hmm, see LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 902 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 922 Views
mmmm Tamale. LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 957 Views
When I say relatively minor, it's because I'm thinking of those *other* assimilation problems here Legolas - 28/04/2010 10:30:04 PM 1212 Views
It should rattle anyone who lives in a democracy and who likes their way of life random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:15:18 PM 1070 Views
a minor point.... moondog - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 1014 Views
More power to the government! and We took that land fair and square! *NM* heartbreak - 26/04/2010 04:43:15 PM 417 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute Isaac - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1214 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute BlackAdder - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1342 Views
you are correct moondog - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1362 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 977 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario Isaac - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 942 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? dart_board - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 1105 Views
That's funny... LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1304 Views
echo chamber much? random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 1059 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 915 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 973 Views
Those incidents are horrible LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 954 Views
Re: That's funny... dart_board - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 997 Views
And this law will not give them what they want LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 1002 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. Libby - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 1029 Views
now that's just crazy talk. LadyLorraine - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 938 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* random thoughts - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 424 Views
It will cost money Libby - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 988 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings random thoughts - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 927 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 981 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona random thoughts - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 1038 Views
I will admit LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 960 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be random thoughts - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 918 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. Libby - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 1039 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic random thoughts - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1180 Views
real science? LadyLorraine - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 967 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded random thoughts - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 950 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason LadyLorraine - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 1013 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* random thoughts - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 408 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll Libby - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1273 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this AgentOrange - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 966 Views
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