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Re: I do. everynametaken Send a noteboard - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM
As far as the drug cartel...this is going to do absolutely nothing to stem that problem. I have no idea how to address that problem, but you are right, it is absolutely insane. It seems like it has gotten progressively worse over the last 10 years. I lay much of the blame for this at our own feet. Our own war on illegal drugs has created the massively profitable market, and has also broken up many of the largest cartels. While breaking up the large cartels sounds like a good idea on paper, it seems to have left a power vacuum, which resulted in many smaller cartels struggling for power, with the end result being the increased violence that we are seeing now.

I recently hear a man speaking on NPR; I think he was a former minister for Mexico but I am not sure what ministry. He was discussing just this issue of competing cartels. He was quite critical of Calderon's "Drug War" and claimed Calderon only started it to try and prop up waning popularity (imagine a politician doing that!). I do not know if that is true or not but what this man had to say about the way the cartels used to operate was interesting.

He claimed that there used to be less cartels and that they pretty much handled their disputes with each other under the radar; not in big shootouts on the street where citizens were caught in the crossfire. Likewise, they didn't encroach too much on each other's territory; they were more interested in profits. Now, this guy claims, there are too many cartels that have formed from the ashes of the Mexican government's battles with them that some of them are out of control and retaliating with extreme measures in order to try and maintain their new found power.

I do not know if it this is a good answer but this former minister claims that probably the only way out is to try and strike a deal with several of the larger cartels (probably secretly of course) to clean up these other cartels and eliminate them in return for a wind-down of their anti-cartel campaign and return to the way things used to be (a kind of look the other way policy).

Like I said, I don't know if that is really what the Mexican government should do but one thing is clear, their anti-cartel campaign has been a miserable failure. It was curious to me that a few weeks after I heard this guy saying this I read that three (maybe it was two) main cartels have now ganged up on La Familia in an effort to wipe them out once and for all. They claim it is in retaliation but I have to wonder if this man's strategy might be being implemented at some level now.
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The Arizona immigration bill thingy - 26/04/2010 12:57:20 AM 2125 Views
what do you expect from one of the last states to accept MLK day? - 26/04/2010 01:19:03 AM 1221 Views
Yes, well, at least you are in the 27% of Americans that have a Passport. - 26/04/2010 01:48:44 AM 1033 Views
Such a wrongheaded law. - 26/04/2010 02:25:10 AM 936 Views
A lot of stuff makes me go "whuh?" legally. - 26/04/2010 03:38:12 AM 815 Views
Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 02:36:52 AM 979 Views
As bad as the law is, that's an ignorant statement. *NM* - 26/04/2010 02:38:16 AM 455 Views
Re: Sounds like apartheid in SA... - 26/04/2010 05:13:17 AM 1082 Views
It shows that Arizona is already lost - 26/04/2010 03:09:24 AM 973 Views
Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 06:19:24 AM 929 Views
Oh please! The immigration and drug problems don't justify bad legislation. - 26/04/2010 07:02:54 AM 944 Views
I do. - 26/04/2010 07:11:10 AM 1104 Views
Re: I do. - 26/04/2010 07:45:21 AM 935 Views
Yeah, I saw an interview with a former U.S. Drug Czar - 26/04/2010 06:35:10 PM 910 Views
Okay, I grew up in Arizona. - 26/04/2010 12:41:21 PM 1133 Views
Re: Looks like no one knows how bad it is along the border - 26/04/2010 03:58:37 PM 1010 Views
looks like somebody doesn't quite get the point - 29/04/2010 06:18:58 AM 1579 Views
Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 06:42:02 AM 1049 Views
I wouldn't worry to much laws like that - 26/04/2010 03:03:16 PM 924 Views
patriot act gives that to any federal law enforcement officer - 29/04/2010 06:13:38 AM 1020 Views
Re: Some thoughts - 26/04/2010 04:04:55 PM 912 Views
Sounds more like a bill to convince people they are doing something than to do something - 26/04/2010 12:43:19 PM 912 Views
What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 01:06:08 PM 1020 Views
well you see, that IS part of the problem - 26/04/2010 01:13:19 PM 1011 Views
Re: What I find interesting about all this... - 26/04/2010 03:52:09 PM 950 Views
Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 01:49:13 PM 909 Views
I don't know about the green cards - 26/04/2010 03:05:49 PM 940 Views
That last point doesn't really make any sense. - 26/04/2010 03:20:19 PM 932 Views
my point was that the punishments for the similar crimes are so different. - 26/04/2010 04:23:08 PM 881 Views
Hey, I think it's an appalling law. - 27/04/2010 02:24:30 PM 1025 Views
Re: Perhaps I'm wrong, but... - 26/04/2010 03:41:47 PM 848 Views
The law will be overturned but it may help to get the federal government off their collective ass - 26/04/2010 02:59:11 PM 980 Views
The law will most likely not be overturned. - 26/04/2010 03:13:24 PM 921 Views
I meant by the courts - 27/04/2010 03:49:11 PM 826 Views
ah well. that'd be nice, then. *NM* - 27/04/2010 05:14:31 PM 432 Views
It's interesting how this sort of mirrors the Belgian issues. - 26/04/2010 03:34:59 PM 916 Views
the "overrunning" of culture and language is exaggerated, imo - 26/04/2010 04:34:56 PM 940 Views
I think the primary problem - in both cases - is language, yes. - 26/04/2010 04:54:55 PM 959 Views
*shrug* I don't know. I just think that people are way too uptight about the issue - 26/04/2010 05:02:30 PM 885 Views
I agree with you - 26/04/2010 05:26:47 PM 905 Views
that is also true - 26/04/2010 05:44:40 PM 849 Views
There is a difference between assimilating and being assimilated - 27/04/2010 04:09:19 PM 925 Views
the differences really are not that minor - 28/04/2010 06:49:33 PM 947 Views
hmm, see - 28/04/2010 07:10:42 PM 841 Views
I am from San Antonio I have always been able to buy burritos from my neighbors - 28/04/2010 08:28:45 PM 859 Views
mmmm Tamale. - 28/04/2010 08:53:13 PM 879 Views
a minor point.... - 29/04/2010 06:30:22 AM 954 Views
I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 09:05:21 PM 1150 Views
Re: I'm going to take a common sense approach on this for a minute - 26/04/2010 11:48:14 PM 1259 Views
you are correct - 29/04/2010 06:39:29 AM 1286 Views
Uhm, how is that "worst" case scenario? - 27/04/2010 01:28:28 PM 913 Views
Worst reasonable case scenario - 28/04/2010 06:48:29 PM 847 Views
Will the will of the people of Arizona be respected? - 27/04/2010 12:12:46 AM 1002 Views
That's funny... - 27/04/2010 01:57:14 AM 1224 Views
echo chamber much? - 27/04/2010 04:14:53 PM 975 Views
there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 27/04/2010 05:19:29 PM 852 Views
Re: there's also 53% of us who think this will lead to violating civil rights. - 28/04/2010 12:40:42 PM 910 Views
Those incidents are horrible - 28/04/2010 01:07:39 PM 886 Views
Re: That's funny... - 28/04/2010 12:30:41 PM 917 Views
And this law will not give them what they want - 28/04/2010 01:12:50 PM 932 Views
Also, the potential economic consequences of the law could be severe for Arizona. - 27/04/2010 01:03:54 AM 942 Views
now that's just crazy talk. - 27/04/2010 01:58:42 AM 871 Views
activist group liberal group claims it will cost money, what a shocker *NM* - 27/04/2010 04:23:11 PM 395 Views
It will cost money - 27/04/2010 09:16:31 PM 930 Views
but all of that ignores the long term savings - 28/04/2010 03:24:50 PM 859 Views
it's less a matter of american tourism - 28/04/2010 04:06:50 PM 905 Views
if they law is enforced it will decrease the number of illegals who go to Arizona - 28/04/2010 06:35:26 PM 969 Views
I will admit - 28/04/2010 07:01:55 PM 885 Views
there have always been bad cops and there always will be - 28/04/2010 08:53:50 PM 852 Views
I don't see any real long term savings coming from this. - 28/04/2010 10:17:26 PM 959 Views
70% of the people in Arizona support the new law and 30% of the state is Hispanic - 28/04/2010 10:51:08 PM 1117 Views
real science? - 28/04/2010 11:06:13 PM 899 Views
I linked to it further up the thread and you responded - 28/04/2010 11:19:51 PM 884 Views
ah, I think I missed it for some reason - 29/04/2010 12:18:13 AM 953 Views
who has time to read all of this crap *NM* - 29/04/2010 04:26:11 AM 382 Views
I'm familiar with the Rasmussen poll - 28/04/2010 11:31:30 PM 1196 Views
Here's Judge Napolitano's response to this - 27/04/2010 02:19:49 PM 895 Views

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