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What the Hell are you going on about? Tom Send a noteboard - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM
What a way to conflate history into a mess that means absolutely nothing. Essentially, what you just said was that every fictitious tribe in the Bible is an Arab to the Jews. That is patently absurd. You then said that this "historical" record of conflict is the reason for the Arab-Israeli conflict. It isn't. It's because of the other things written in the Bible, the "I give this land to you" language. The land was supposedly in the hands of several fictitious groups and some that were probably historic, but none of them were Arabs, and none were people we would recognize as "Palestinian".

Jews lived in Egypt calmly, peacefully and happily for millennia and recited every Passover "remember that you were slaves in the land of Egypt" without hating their neighbors.

The Jews lay claim to the land of Canaan and have continuously for thousands of years. THAT is part of their religious understanding of who they are as a nation, something that is burned into their consciousness. HOWEVER, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN FIGHTING THE ARABS FOR MILLENNIA. This conflict is purely recent. How many ways do I need to say this for you to get it? Maybe I should get out sock puppets?
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

Ummaka qinnassa nīk!

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Jacqueline Rose on the Dreyfus affair and related problems, in the LRB - 06/06/2010 11:28:14 AM 1170 Views
What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:48:16 PM 957 Views
Re: What she has to say about Dreyfus is very interesting. - 06/06/2010 04:56:32 PM 879 Views
*remains amused at the suggestion of the Dreyfus Affairs "pertinence" to "current" events* - 06/06/2010 05:14:23 PM 892 Views
I agree in part and (strongly) disagree in part. - 06/06/2010 05:40:26 PM 854 Views
"If it's an eternal struggle, how could there ever be a solution or a peace?" - 06/06/2010 06:20:39 PM 921 Views
Purim may or may not refer to a historic event. Even if it does, Haman was not likely an Arab. - 07/06/2010 12:00:05 AM 776 Views
I second your main point. - 07/06/2010 12:09:42 AM 804 Views
I don't discount that there is Arab blood in many or even most "Arabs". - 07/06/2010 12:18:32 AM 776 Views
Okay, fair enough then. *NM* - 07/06/2010 08:45:19 AM 345 Views
The holiday is centuries old and real, regardless. - 07/06/2010 12:28:59 AM 868 Views
You're still missing the major point here. - 07/06/2010 12:44:08 AM 775 Views
That seems a rather limited view of history. - 07/06/2010 01:10:11 AM 877 Views
What the Hell are you going on about? - 07/06/2010 04:08:19 AM 847 Views
Oooh - 07/06/2010 11:07:43 AM 680 Views
Yeah, to whom was the claim on that land given? - 07/06/2010 10:35:42 PM 803 Views
jeez Joel... - 07/06/2010 04:24:47 AM 820 Views
No, the Persians are not Arabs. - 07/06/2010 10:09:47 PM 952 Views
I (coincidentally) stumbled across those infamous hadith passages about Jews the other day. - 07/06/2010 09:41:39 AM 867 Views
So? - 07/06/2010 10:50:49 PM 841 Views
So the relevance of apocalyptic passages is close to zero. - 07/06/2010 11:55:05 PM 805 Views
Not to mention - 08/06/2010 09:09:27 AM 712 Views
Then why are they canon? - 08/06/2010 06:25:09 PM 1009 Views
are you claiming that people would pull some things out of holy text and ignore the rest? - 08/06/2010 12:16:41 PM 869 Views
*NM* - 08/06/2010 01:16:13 PM 338 Views
well, for me this just proves why we are not supposed to live among non-Jews - 06/06/2010 11:39:45 PM 966 Views
how so? - 06/06/2010 11:41:18 PM 722 Views
It reminds me of what I kept thinking as I read it. - 07/06/2010 12:51:36 AM 759 Views
couldn't get past the part where anyone who opposes Obama is a racist *NM* - 08/06/2010 01:40:07 AM 518 Views
You hallucinated? *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:39:37 AM 389 Views
No, that would've been one of the places where she should've shut up. *NM* - 08/06/2010 08:58:11 AM 327 Views
No - 08/06/2010 09:08:04 AM 748 Views
I think he's not talking about that bit, but about the very first paragraph. - 08/06/2010 09:30:21 AM 872 Views
If there was more I didn't get far enough to hear it - 08/06/2010 12:09:47 PM 727 Views
That's the problem with the speech - the large majority of what she had to say was worthwhile. - 08/06/2010 01:15:39 PM 782 Views
The problem is blatant bias - 08/06/2010 02:24:57 PM 765 Views

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