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Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight Send a noteboard - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM
I do realize that the concept of a road has been around for a while. :P Regardless though, the standard "road" in the US is designed for an automobile. It cannot support cars and bikes both efficiently AND safely. The car either slows down to the speed of the bike for the duration of their similar route, or else one of the parties must exit the given roadway. The bike has to go off the road, possibly hitting rocks, holes, etc, or the car must cross the center lane to whatever extent, risking collision with cars on the other side.

Most modern roads are not designed for bikes, and, thus, it's my opinion that bikes shouldn't travel on those.


The problem is that a bike is MUCH cheaper than a car, so if a person can't afford a car but can afford a bike then they're going to go to work (school, uni, wherever) on that. And they'll have to use the roads that aren't sensible for them.

Completely agree with you about the need for better infrastructure & set up for bikes. I disagree that this means that bikes shouldn't be on the roads that exist. Needs must & all.


Nothing against that. But if you're looking for a safer alternative to cycling from work and back, it's public transportation. there's loads of it.
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I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Deadsy - 28/06/2010 05:44:45 AM 1957 Views
Ummm MalkierKnight - 28/06/2010 06:01:19 AM 1586 Views
Let me guess. You live in an American suburb. *NM* Ghavrel - 28/06/2010 06:12:24 AM 675 Views
Yeah, the "sport" part gives that away even more than everything else... *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 08:06:03 AM 702 Views
seriously, you think people didn't use bikes as transportation anymore!! *NM* LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 08:26:36 AM 786 Views
LOL bikes? transportation? What?!??! get a car you european *NM* MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:14:58 AM 670 Views
Sorry, but no. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:17:20 AM 1391 Views
I think you missed the part... LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:22:35 AM 1356 Views
That was offensive to cyclists. People who think like you are why so many of us die. *NM* Tim - 28/06/2010 08:28:24 AM 765 Views
Now that I've calmed down a bit, I'm going to actually address your points. Tim - 28/06/2010 12:16:10 PM 1740 Views
hey now! LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:18:16 PM 1252 Views
See apology below. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:34:17 AM 703 Views
it's okay dude i was just giving you a hard time *NM* LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:24:56 AM 700 Views
I understand that what he said offended you ßelals Girl - 28/06/2010 04:11:57 PM 1488 Views
You're right, I was stereotyping and getting a little ad hominem. I'm sorry. *NM* Tim - 29/06/2010 08:33:20 AM 738 Views
My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Aemon - 28/06/2010 04:12:42 PM 1370 Views
Re: My social capital at this site is pretty low, so I don't mind admitting that I agree with MK. Deadsy - 28/06/2010 06:27:42 PM 1384 Views
If the bike had been invented today, you might be right. Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:08:44 PM 1480 Views
This point: Rebekah - 28/06/2010 06:37:32 PM 1442 Views
Not in the United States. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:25:56 PM 1440 Views
Highways are, of course, a different matter. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 07:32:50 PM 1404 Views
I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:34:04 PM 1511 Views
Re: I know Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:27:04 PM 1383 Views
Re: I know Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:38:14 PM 1489 Views
That makes me mad. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:46:58 PM 1483 Views
Don't be mad Avendesora - 28/06/2010 08:52:47 PM 1301 Views
Re: I know lyringlas - 28/06/2010 09:15:22 PM 1465 Views
To your last question: Arlington County, VA MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:29:55 AM 1272 Views
It is illegal to drive on the shoulder. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:43:40 AM 1497 Views
i'm pretty sure bicycles are banned from almost all highways, regardless of access LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:34:00 PM 1270 Views
Maybe I should have said "modern roads." Aemon - 28/06/2010 08:20:55 PM 1465 Views
Perhaps. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 08:36:15 PM 1542 Views
I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Aemon - 28/06/2010 09:00:44 PM 1307 Views
Matters of degree, I suppose. Rebekah - 28/06/2010 09:07:40 PM 1289 Views
Yes, because that cyclist is SUCH a hazard to you in your car. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:03:05 AM 1419 Views
The central issue is people. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:52:22 AM 1409 Views
you keep talking about cyclists on highways as if it applied to all roads. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:37:31 PM 1497 Views
There are TWO equally important points there: Joel - 30/06/2010 01:15:17 AM 1478 Views
then why are you arguing with me? I said that the central issue is people being stupid. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 05:59:23 AM 703 Views
Pardon my saying so, but, no, you did not say that. Joel - 01/07/2010 08:01:10 AM 1434 Views
Re: I think we just disagree on the necessity is all. Bored - 02/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1420 Views
Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 30/06/2010 03:32:05 AM 1428 Views
...doesn't exist or is completely dysfunctional in a lot of places. *NM* Ghavrel - 30/06/2010 03:57:26 AM 746 Views
three words: share the road random thoughts - 30/06/2010 04:08:28 AM 1459 Views
Re: three words: share the road MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:03:54 AM 1512 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 30/06/2010 08:43:51 AM 1588 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:05:37 AM 1453 Views
Re: Two words: Public Transportation Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:40:10 AM 1358 Views
How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Deadsy - 01/07/2010 08:52:45 AM 1470 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:30:43 AM 1405 Views
Re: How the hell is a 7,000 person town Urban? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1454 Views
I'd say you have it exactly the wrong way round. Legolas - 01/07/2010 09:41:27 AM 1527 Views
You can't be serious. If you do think that's always (not just sometimes) a viable option, then... Tim - 30/06/2010 09:20:03 AM 1359 Views
Really? MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:07:29 AM 1193 Views
Have you heard of Britain? Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:38:11 AM 1417 Views
My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. *NM* LadyLorraine - 01/07/2010 06:00:22 AM 763 Views
Re: My city doesn't have ANY. not even shuttle buses. MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:08:02 AM 1400 Views
Outside of a highly urbanized area, I surmise. The entirety of the US is not like the East Coast. *NM* Ghavrel - 02/07/2010 02:11:01 AM 763 Views
My city doesn't have anything eather. *NM* Angel Barchild - 04/07/2010 12:32:52 AM 854 Views
You do realize that... Jacob - 28/06/2010 08:38:39 PM 1433 Views
Bikers can be equally as rude, I agree. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:00:18 AM 1441 Views
heh Deadsy - 29/06/2010 04:45:46 AM 1439 Views
Despite your subject line, I'm glad to see that we agree with each other more than MK and I do. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:13:29 AM 1511 Views
Get your head on straight, you silly cyclist MalkierKnight - 01/07/2010 08:02:58 AM 1298 Views
He never said there were no buses in our city. He said that, as a student, he can't afford them. *NM* Rebekah - 01/07/2010 08:42:47 AM 705 Views
I'd say most urban areas have few roads with speed limits above 50 km/h (30mph) Floffe - 01/07/2010 10:35:20 AM 1328 Views
Now now, there's no need to be rude. Tim - 02/07/2010 12:04:16 AM 1502 Views
Re: Now now, there's no need to be rude. MalkierKnight - 04/07/2010 05:53:01 PM 1291 Views
What part of "there are no alternatives" don't you understand? Ghavrel - 04/07/2010 09:10:23 PM 1333 Views
What part of my post did you not read...? MalkierKnight - 05/07/2010 09:01:32 AM 1532 Views
I agree entirely. Camilla - 28/06/2010 05:27:36 PM 1551 Views
Really???? Amys - 28/06/2010 04:59:12 PM 1416 Views
that's always really annoying LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 06:27:07 AM 1577 Views
That's always upsetting. You just have to remember that some people are simply arseholes, and... Tim - 28/06/2010 11:41:22 AM 1340 Views
mmm maybe...or encourage him to actually hit the next cyclist LadyLorraine - 28/06/2010 01:19:10 PM 1296 Views
Re: I got screamed at by a motorist while riding my bicycle today Macharius - 28/06/2010 03:25:22 PM 1231 Views
Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 04:58:50 PM 673 Views
I doubt it. *NM* Macharius - 28/06/2010 05:32:17 PM 622 Views
my daughter rides her bike on the sidewalk all the time random thoughts - 28/06/2010 06:07:01 PM 1440 Views
In Sweden we often have combined bike and walking paths a few meters to the side of the road Floffe - 28/06/2010 06:22:40 PM 1288 Views
True, those aren't really what I'd call sidewalks though. *NM* Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:07:15 PM 776 Views
Not sure, but BlackAdder - 28/06/2010 06:53:14 PM 1276 Views
That all depends on what kind of road, I guess. Legolas - 28/06/2010 07:09:52 PM 1409 Views
we actually have a lot of cyclists on one of our 50mph roads LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:08:31 AM 1365 Views
I would Deadsy - 28/06/2010 07:25:22 PM 1296 Views
You've alluded to that a few times now. Sareitha Sedai - 28/06/2010 07:42:05 PM 1291 Views
a lot of the time they do in smaller cities LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:05:38 AM 1204 Views
Of course. Most bikers not in the mid-size to larger cities do. everynametaken - 29/06/2010 03:06:03 AM 1297 Views
Re: Are they supposed to use sidewalks anywhere? Bored - 02/07/2010 09:57:46 PM 1310 Views
That sucks random thoughts - 28/06/2010 04:34:35 PM 1243 Views
You have every right to be on the road. The guy was an ass. Avendesora - 28/06/2010 07:30:23 PM 1368 Views
Thankfully I live in a very bike-friendly city, though this sort of thing has still happened to me. *NM* Panorphaeon - 28/06/2010 07:56:59 PM 743 Views
that's because the central issues is not bike-friendly-ness. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 01:11:56 AM 1289 Views
I'm so glad I actually READ what you said before responding. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:16:25 AM 1417 Views
?? I thought it was matter of COURSE that bikes weren't allowed on the highway LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 09:27:06 AM 1391 Views
Should be, but it's not. Joel - 29/06/2010 09:59:35 AM 1370 Views
Question for you. Tim - 29/06/2010 10:22:13 AM 1218 Views
the law says they have to to ride in single file as close to curb as is practical random thoughts - 29/06/2010 03:31:55 PM 1309 Views
and i haven't said that anywhere. LadyLorraine - 29/06/2010 02:39:06 PM 1289 Views
That is what you get for living in Austin *NM* random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:38:20 PM 732 Views
about the driving on the shoulder thing random thoughts - 29/06/2010 02:49:29 PM 1463 Views
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