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Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere Send a noteboard - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM
For one, I don't think wearing a shirt that says "Islam is of the Devil" is wrong or hurtful. From my perspective, it's correct and informative. If Muslims are offended, they should probably lobby their governments to actually step in and stop the killing of Christians, because then I would ahve no reason to wear the shirt.

I am not even catholic but I would find a shirt saying something about priests molesting children as offensive and wrong. I just can't justify tarring and feathering a whole group of people based on the actions of a few. Most priests are good men that have dedicated their lives to serving God and their fellow men. Should the whole church be judged because of the actions of a minority?

The argument that you just made about the "Islam is of the Devil" shirt not being wrong or hurtful but rather correct and informative could easily be made to defend people that wanted to wear anti-catholic shirts. They could say something very similar to what you said to defend their actions. Would that be right? Would it be fair?

I don't buy the argument. Judging and condemning a whole group based on the actions of a minority just doesn't seem right to me. Does it seem right to you? Doesn't seeing it from their perspective make you reconsider your position just a little?

I am not trying to get into an ugly argument or make fun of you. I don't roll like that. (Well not usually. :P) I just would like to present a things from a different view point so that you can see what other people are talking about. I am just searching for the right way to present it.
This message last edited by Tashmere on 09/09/2009 at 02:30:43 AM
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Islam is of the Devil Aisha - 06/09/2009 03:30:51 AM 1606 Views
I swear, the levels of crazy are just increasing these days. Craig - 06/09/2009 06:04:19 AM 898 Views
People are stupid. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 06:25:42 AM 1047 Views
This statement got me: Dragonsoul - 06/09/2009 06:30:16 AM 1238 Views
Re: This statement got me: Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:20:17 AM 887 Views
What you say about those places may be true random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:16:30 PM 901 Views
Regardless... Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:34:48 AM 845 Views
Re: Regardless... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:10:18 AM 956 Views
I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:11:13 PM 974 Views
Re: I'm not advocating the killing of Muslims. Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:15:55 PM 948 Views
Okay... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:29 PM 878 Views
You are free to wear offensive clothing random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:13:18 PM 932 Views
There is a difference between hatred and truth. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:04:02 PM 866 Views
You do know christans have done that as well don't you? random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:04:28 PM 939 Views
The difference is... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:16:13 PM 840 Views
really have you actaully read the Qur'an random thoughts - 09/09/2009 06:33:38 PM 915 Views
there are some unsavory passages, and he knows it. nossy - 09/09/2009 06:46:59 PM 906 Views
Acrually No I don't. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:19 PM 784 Views
Someone should have told Jesus the OT was void random thoughts - 09/09/2009 10:31:39 PM 922 Views
Jesus was the one who voided it. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 12:25:18 AM 919 Views
so he was lying when he said he didn't? random thoughts - 10/09/2009 03:27:14 AM 978 Views
Christ never said that. Dragonsoul - 10/09/2009 02:14:53 PM 888 Views
Logicaly, this is a stupid post. snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:58:43 PM 940 Views
+1 *NM* The Shrike - 06/09/2009 08:56:02 PM 425 Views
+2 *NM* Dannymac - 06/09/2009 10:04:34 PM 392 Views
+3 *NM* Craig - 06/09/2009 10:36:48 PM 412 Views
As an Englishman, why are you even posting in this thread then? *NM* Joker - 07/09/2009 02:49:22 AM 437 Views
Because I can. snoopcester - 07/09/2009 10:15:57 AM 953 Views
So can he. Joker - 07/09/2009 07:54:56 PM 861 Views
Yes nossy - 08/09/2009 05:59:24 AM 890 Views
It means a lot in context to the situation Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:14:50 PM 984 Views
No, it does not. nossy - 08/09/2009 07:20:49 PM 920 Views
So now you can tell me what I can and can't do with my children? Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 11:31:16 PM 954 Views
I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 08/09/2009 11:59:21 PM 899 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:10:19 PM 978 Views
Re: I can tell you what you can't make your children do in school. nossy - 09/09/2009 04:27:32 PM 1027 Views
Define "disruptive". Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:19:36 PM 903 Views
No. *NM* nossy - 09/09/2009 06:26:43 PM 439 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 09/09/2009 06:55:22 PM 410 Views
Ooh, look, I'm being baited. nossy - 09/09/2009 07:59:28 PM 869 Views
Then your argument has no merit. *NM* Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 07:52:47 PM 408 Views
you are making no sense snoopcester - 08/09/2009 11:35:12 AM 944 Views
Quite a bit. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:31:59 AM 915 Views
Luke 6:31 *NM* krassos - 07/09/2009 08:41:54 PM 482 Views
That applies to them as well. *NM* Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:08:55 PM 320 Views
The thing I think you are missing... Antigone - 06/09/2009 07:18:45 PM 999 Views
Wait, what? Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 08:29:14 PM 951 Views
I... kinda have to agree with Ghav, there. Craig - 06/09/2009 10:39:28 PM 951 Views
Yeah, what you said! Antigone - 06/09/2009 11:51:19 PM 1019 Views
don't make me get all vulcan on you. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:13:18 AM 399 Views
Wrong. Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:36:49 AM 925 Views
That is why America is different than those countries. Duh. *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:58:53 PM 608 Views
Because in America Dragonsoul - 07/09/2009 04:35:24 AM 1012 Views
Re: Because in America Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:16:05 AM 854 Views
And... Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:15:49 PM 871 Views
Jesus, you are a real piece of work. Moron. *NM* everynametaken - 07/09/2009 11:52:02 PM 302 Views
I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 01:40:42 AM 934 Views
Go, Tash, go! Craig - 08/09/2009 05:52:01 AM 891 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Dragonsoul - 08/09/2009 07:18:00 PM 892 Views
"Their government" is the American government. *NM* Legolas - 08/09/2009 07:36:27 PM 376 Views
That is a concept many people can't seem to grasp *NM* random thoughts - 08/09/2009 08:14:50 PM 385 Views
The elf has a point. *NM* Kylia Skydancer - 08/09/2009 10:18:26 PM 439 Views
And yet I don't see CAIR.. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:07:05 PM 847 Views
Why on earth should it? Legolas - 09/09/2009 05:14:30 PM 866 Views
Because... Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 06:25:41 PM 951 Views
Re: Because... Legolas - 09/09/2009 07:06:24 PM 1130 Views
Really? Craig - 08/09/2009 08:02:42 PM 835 Views
Re: Really? everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:11:36 AM 888 Views
Well it's not about whether it scans right to you. Dragonsoul - 09/09/2009 04:06:06 PM 786 Views
Oh, I was just clarifying. Craig - 09/09/2009 06:05:49 PM 840 Views
Re: I don't think I understand your basic reasoning. You can't be saying what it sounds like. Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:49:48 PM 967 Views
Failed edit. *NM* Tashmere - 08/09/2009 11:50:50 PM 418 Views
Exactly. *NM* everynametaken - 09/09/2009 12:12:52 AM 421 Views
I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note LadyLorraine - 06/09/2009 06:46:58 AM 933 Views
Re: I'm appalled that this was even worthy of note Aisha - 06/09/2009 07:22:59 AM 1068 Views
It didn't infringe on the First Amendment rights of others. Ghavrel - 06/09/2009 07:28:35 AM 914 Views
Er? You misunderstand the law quite a lot there Isaac - 06/09/2009 11:06:04 AM 919 Views
I believe the rest of the Church has done a horrible job explaining... everynametaken - 06/09/2009 08:02:25 PM 908 Views
When will people learn tolerance/=support...? Joel - 06/09/2009 12:30:23 PM 981 Views
Well said *NM* Isaac - 06/09/2009 12:50:11 PM 418 Views
The sad thing is ou know it is the parents driving it all random thoughts - 06/09/2009 02:37:08 PM 1040 Views
The parents are disgusting idiots snoopcester - 06/09/2009 03:57:17 PM 932 Views
Fundamentalist nutjobs. Sheesh! *NM* everynametaken - 06/09/2009 07:57:09 PM 484 Views
The appropriate punishment... Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 06:03:25 AM 933 Views
Punishment for what? Isaac - 07/09/2009 09:51:57 AM 943 Views
When did I say anything about a law? Kylia Skydancer - 07/09/2009 10:48:09 AM 905 Views
Since were talking about the law, not your opinion of right an wrong, it's sort of a default Isaac - 09/09/2009 05:01:08 PM 869 Views
Eh... I wish you were right, but I don't think you are. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:50:18 AM 989 Views
Morse isn't a bad example Isaac - 10/09/2009 11:23:32 AM 921 Views
Fair enough. I'm just a little overzealous with what I see as infringements on civil liberties. Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 01:14:48 AM 1182 Views
That's the key point so many forget: Joel - 07/09/2009 11:42:12 PM 783 Views
It's not that they forget, they never 'get' to begin with Isaac - 09/09/2009 07:18:09 PM 921 Views
No, that's pretty much it. Ghavrel - 10/09/2009 03:42:25 AM 1015 Views
You're right. Joel - 14/09/2009 11:11:38 AM 1095 Views
If I understand you nossy - 14/09/2009 03:05:39 PM 938 Views
Yes, that was it Isaac - 14/09/2009 04:17:45 PM 1072 Views
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