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Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester Send a noteboard - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM
But it also seems skewed to put it up to a vote and then dismiss the response when it's the wrong one. He's got a point about that.

Edit: well, not decided forever. I like being able to vote for what I support, but when something is pretty obviously a travesty, well, you get the point.


Is it dismissing the vote when it is the wrong one?
In terms of the legal challenge, well just because something is voted on doesn't mean it is going to be legal (like a vote to remove legal rights of ginger people wouldn't be legal even if the majority voted for it, sadly). If there was a vote to make same-sex marriage legal in a state, it would be interesting to see if the same people objecting to this going to court would object to it going to court then to decide if it is legal.
And interms of it being revoted, I can see it is an issue for it to be revoted every 6 months in some ways but given that both the attitudes of individuals are in a state of constant change and thatthe actual make up of the voters is also in constant flux then it just makes good democracy to try and get the most up to date position of the voters. So it goes both ways.
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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional ironclad - 04/08/2010 10:40:50 PM 1524 Views
Thank God. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/08/2010 10:52:30 PM 436 Views
Amen. *NM* Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:09:24 AM 497 Views
Good news, but as the article says, it'll go all the way to the SC. Legolas - 04/08/2010 10:55:58 PM 840 Views
So then is that how we do it? Jeordam - 04/08/2010 11:01:19 PM 979 Views
Of course. ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:04:59 PM 871 Views
His point was ßelals Girl - 04/08/2010 11:40:14 PM 1020 Views
Yeah but: What Ghavrel said below *NM* ironclad - 05/08/2010 08:01:02 AM 490 Views
And again... ßelals Girl - 05/08/2010 06:08:56 PM 739 Views
To quote my property professor: "Can I make you think like a Californian?" Tom - 05/08/2010 06:39:48 PM 788 Views
well that is sort of the idea of how democracy works snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:06:57 PM 858 Views
I'm not the one who came up with the referendum system, you do realize. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:11:13 PM 860 Views
The referendum system, in my opinion, has been a failure, especially in CA. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:46:21 PM 950 Views
democracy has been a failure in CA. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:42:21 PM 725 Views
No. It just shows the problems of a crazy electorate. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:29:21 PM 873 Views
I think you made my point *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:35:00 PM 457 Views
About Californians being crazy, yes. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 04:53:32 PM 426 Views
we vote fro way to much crap in general random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:41:19 PM 827 Views
Yeah, I agree. Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 803 Views
my one recent dealing with our criminal justice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:25:30 PM 825 Views
Yes, you still have to abide by the Constitution, even if a lot of people don't like it. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/08/2010 12:07:44 AM 438 Views
Amend the Constitution to alter the Fourteenth Amendment if you don't like it. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 01:09:51 AM 516 Views
just a devil's advocate position here, but.... moondog - 05/08/2010 04:23:43 AM 900 Views
Marriage is either an economic status regulated by law or a religious institution. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 AM 914 Views
There are certain things that should not be decided by a vote... Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:02:45 AM 893 Views
I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. nossy - 05/08/2010 02:17:24 AM 907 Views
Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM 897 Views
I understand it. nossy - 05/08/2010 03:06:40 PM 894 Views
I know you don't support proposition 8 snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:29:34 PM 903 Views
nossy - 05/08/2010 03:34:01 PM 911 Views
But that is just simplistic and silly to complain about when it is a long standing possibility snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:46:59 PM 799 Views
Oh, ees it? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:07:39 PM 928 Views
Well they knew the rules before they started the whole thing snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:12:33 PM 807 Views
Why would you complain if you won? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:15:20 PM 872 Views
You could recognise that you won by the system working in a way you don't like? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:23:58 PM 751 Views
I'm sure that happens, in general. nossy - 06/08/2010 02:43:18 PM 780 Views
It seems to happen a lot nowadays snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:06:33 PM 771 Views
It's so weird that you feel differently - there is only room for one opinion here! nossy - 06/08/2010 03:41:52 PM 687 Views
There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM 795 Views
instead it should be decided by judges who answer to no one? *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:12:59 AM 440 Views
The same judges who upheld our private right to bear arms. Tom - 05/08/2010 02:09:07 PM 900 Views
not when judges stop using the Constitution random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:30:51 PM 875 Views
Sexual preference is not the right being protected. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 929 Views
I know that the 14th amendment is routinely used in ways it was never intended. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:25:07 PM 847 Views
I realize that, but it is ultimately a good thing. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:31:19 PM 918 Views
I am really on the fence a bit on the whole issue random thoughts - 05/08/2010 06:00:59 PM 885 Views
I generally agree with you. Tom - 05/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 871 Views
let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM 790 Views
Come now lets not be stupid random thoughts - 06/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 742 Views
sorry but your statement was completely ignorant. moondog - 06/08/2010 07:27:09 PM 859 Views
I will talk as soon as you stop spouting stupid rhetoric and say something relevant random thoughts - 06/08/2010 07:54:09 PM 828 Views
bullshit. you will personally attack me no matter what i say. moondog - 07/08/2010 02:04:04 PM 870 Views
Let's just be clear about which amendment is which. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:50:57 PM 786 Views
but that still ignores intent and expands the law in ways not intnented when it created random thoughts - 06/08/2010 04:53:43 AM 798 Views
Yes, no, no, and no. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 05:29:09 AM 856 Views
there are serious flaws in your thinking here random thoughts - 06/08/2010 06:18:13 PM 925 Views
Your assertions continue to lack support. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 07:23:17 PM 947 Views
not all you just refuse to see things you disagree with random thoughts - 06/08/2010 08:36:32 PM 911 Views
...said the pot to the kettle Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 09:17:28 PM 990 Views
yes but a shiny stainless steel pot random thoughts - 09/08/2010 11:21:33 PM 1041 Views
You continue to be wrong about history and the role of courts. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 01:05:39 AM 1388 Views
If he's wrong, a lot of law scholars and Supreme Court Justices are wrong. Legolas - 10/08/2010 01:44:05 AM 828 Views
Brown vs. Board of Education, 'nuff said. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:32:37 AM 434 Views
Actually, that only proves his point, if I understand correctly. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:11:19 AM 463 Views
part oif the problem appears to be you completely missing the point random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:23:19 PM 1035 Views
let my simplify my argument random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:42:47 PM 768 Views
There's a simple way to determine the degree to which that opinion is objective or subjective... Legolas - 06/08/2010 09:32:21 PM 797 Views
Since when is marriage a right? *NM* Jeordam - 05/08/2010 04:11:16 PM 420 Views
it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM 771 Views
This is where the debate comes into play.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:04:08 PM 800 Views
How much would it change the debate if it was nurture, really? Legolas - 05/08/2010 09:48:22 PM 858 Views
except this is not merely a matter of changing society LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:18:48 PM 871 Views
1948. *NM* jh - 05/08/2010 04:50:30 PM 448 Views
It's a benefit that is being extended selectively to one set of the populace. Tom - 05/08/2010 04:52:52 PM 856 Views
Hey, I'm single.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:05:41 PM 784 Views
That's a specious argument and you know it. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 PM 841 Views
A homosexual has every opportunity as well..... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:23:56 PM 794 Views
Oh quit the bullshit already. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:29:15 PM 1043 Views
Slow your role... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 09:08:54 PM 910 Views
Your religious beliefs have 100% to do with your position. Tom - 05/08/2010 09:43:23 PM 935 Views
Sorry, but what a nonsense. ironclad - 05/08/2010 09:27:17 PM 778 Views
hey that's it, jens! you solved the WHOLE PROBLEM!!! LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:24:29 PM 900 Views
ON TO WORLD HUNGER! ironclad - 06/08/2010 07:59:51 AM 792 Views
LET THEM HAVE CAEK. *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 02:29:56 PM 412 Views
Are you sure it's wise to feed people on a lie? *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 02:34:26 PM 499 Views
People are fed lies all the time LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:30:37 PM 775 Views
Quite so, but I don't think it's commonly a mainstay of their diet *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 09:50:33 PM 448 Views
It is the only thing which is abundant enough for everyone to have some... *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 10:01:44 PM 695 Views
I agree with you Sareitha Sedai - 05/08/2010 05:06:40 PM 822 Views
That's not valid. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:26:50 PM 826 Views
I invite you to read the judge's conclusions, linked again inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:43:44 PM 887 Views
Since 1948 Napoleon62 - 06/08/2010 04:01:02 AM 1023 Views
gah. can. only. see. typo. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 03:43:21 PM 402 Views
I don't see any typo... *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:07:18 PM 466 Views
Open the link. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 04:47:04 PM 556 Views
Oh, right. Yeah, that does kinda detract from things. *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:48:47 PM 433 Views
I agree random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:22:17 AM 845 Views
And Civil Rights lost the Democrats the South. Dannymac - 05/08/2010 03:44:56 PM 855 Views
but it was done by congress passing laws and the president signing those laws random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:20:19 PM 796 Views
uhm, what? LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:24:43 PM 791 Views
those were mostly rulings up holding laws not stiking them down random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:05:15 PM 882 Views
I was under the impression that the supreme court had a role in it snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:31:51 PM 799 Views
but the court was not over turning the laws passed by congress random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:11:06 PM 865 Views
No, like in this case, isn't it? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 05:24:19 PM 767 Views
I would say that is another case of judicial activism and shows the danger of the practice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:43:02 PM 759 Views
Which one is? I imagine from different view points both are. snoopcester - 06/08/2010 10:34:11 AM 752 Views
The law wasn't constitutional. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:17:04 AM 782 Views
well it will take a higher court to decide that random thoughts - 09/08/2010 10:46:15 PM 811 Views
Hard to believe it's the same governor who said "Gay marriage should be between a man and a woman." *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/08/2010 11:05:45 PM 508 Views
Or "Iff it bleeds we can kill itt!" *NM* ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:14:45 PM 489 Views
Another step in the right direction. *NM* snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:08:15 PM 510 Views
Link to the full court order inside: Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:43:29 PM 1001 Views
The judge quoting Scalia in favour of gay marriage is fairly amusing. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:50:47 PM 844 Views
What page was that on? Tim - 05/08/2010 11:25:49 AM 757 Views
Nah, it was way above page 109, in the findings of fact somewhere. Legolas - 05/08/2010 12:37:48 PM 873 Views
Oh, that is brilliant. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:12:21 PM 788 Views
Pretty much. Legolas - 05/08/2010 01:44:22 PM 921 Views
I've always wondered what basis there is for banning necrophilia if "it's disgusting" is invalid. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:51:19 PM 856 Views
because you cannot give consent when you are dead? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:04:46 PM 862 Views
what if you give consent while you are still alive? random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:21:59 PM 933 Views
Is it then illegal? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:23:46 PM 846 Views
given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:33:11 PM 927 Views
Re: given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:34:57 PM 963 Views
I would think it would be illegal even then random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:34:31 PM 868 Views
Wikipedia to the rescue! Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:20:15 PM 1028 Views
you would hope the other states would cover it under improper treatmentof human remains random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:38:59 PM 823 Views
A dead body is just an object, not a person with rights. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:27:08 PM 850 Views
Yes, but Camilla - 06/08/2010 08:42:05 AM 810 Views
Absolutely not. Tom - 06/08/2010 03:21:14 PM 865 Views
not to mention necrophilia has a large potential to be hazardous to health. LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:42:43 PM 956 Views
That was a very well written judgement. Tim - 05/08/2010 11:24:38 AM 863 Views
Tom - 05/08/2010 12:10:02 AM 857 Views
Totally agree. Rebekah - 05/08/2010 01:01:42 PM 903 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 03:42:08 PM 453 Views
Irrelevant decision.....this was heading to SCOTUS from day 1 *NM* trzaska2000 - 05/08/2010 12:53:26 AM 463 Views
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