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There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester Send a noteboard - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM
Re-voting seems different than being overruled by your government (that asked you in the first place, through folly or whatever), but I'm having no trouble picking up on and respecting your viewpoint, just as I'm having no trouble empathizing with his viewpoint. I get it, and, as such, I'm done explaining my original post. You dislike his stance, he is upset about another. It happens.:)


Yeah but it seems increasingly common for people to moan when they do't get there way suddenly. It just annoys me because it has been so much over the last few years and I'm out of understanding for people who don't care when things are wrong that work for them - they need to learn they don't get to have things both waysO^
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Judge rules California's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional ironclad - 04/08/2010 10:40:50 PM 1419 Views
Thank God. *NM* Ghavrel - 04/08/2010 10:52:30 PM 403 Views
Amen. *NM* Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:09:24 AM 466 Views
Good news, but as the article says, it'll go all the way to the SC. Legolas - 04/08/2010 10:55:58 PM 762 Views
So then is that how we do it? Jeordam - 04/08/2010 11:01:19 PM 896 Views
Of course. ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:04:59 PM 794 Views
His point was ßelals Girl - 04/08/2010 11:40:14 PM 942 Views
Yeah but: What Ghavrel said below *NM* ironclad - 05/08/2010 08:01:02 AM 455 Views
And again... ßelals Girl - 05/08/2010 06:08:56 PM 664 Views
To quote my property professor: "Can I make you think like a Californian?" Tom - 05/08/2010 06:39:48 PM 708 Views
well that is sort of the idea of how democracy works snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:06:57 PM 791 Views
I'm not the one who came up with the referendum system, you do realize. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:11:13 PM 779 Views
The referendum system, in my opinion, has been a failure, especially in CA. Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:46:21 PM 875 Views
democracy has been a failure in CA. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:42:21 PM 653 Views
No. It just shows the problems of a crazy electorate. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:29:21 PM 794 Views
I think you made my point *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:35:00 PM 423 Views
About Californians being crazy, yes. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 04:53:32 PM 395 Views
we vote fro way to much crap in general random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:41:19 PM 722 Views
Yeah, I agree. Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:11:34 PM 711 Views
my one recent dealing with our criminal justice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:25:30 PM 754 Views
Yes, you still have to abide by the Constitution, even if a lot of people don't like it. *NM* Ghavrel - 05/08/2010 12:07:44 AM 408 Views
Amend the Constitution to alter the Fourteenth Amendment if you don't like it. *NM* Tom - 05/08/2010 01:09:51 AM 476 Views
just a devil's advocate position here, but.... moondog - 05/08/2010 04:23:43 AM 808 Views
Marriage is either an economic status regulated by law or a religious institution. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 AM 826 Views
There are certain things that should not be decided by a vote... Dannymac - 05/08/2010 02:02:45 AM 814 Views
I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. nossy - 05/08/2010 02:17:24 AM 845 Views
Re: I do agree with you on that. Hell yes, and on a subject like this in particular. snoopcester - 05/08/2010 10:46:54 AM 820 Views
I understand it. nossy - 05/08/2010 03:06:40 PM 812 Views
I know you don't support proposition 8 snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:29:34 PM 828 Views
nossy - 05/08/2010 03:34:01 PM 835 Views
But that is just simplistic and silly to complain about when it is a long standing possibility snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:46:59 PM 722 Views
Oh, ees it? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:07:39 PM 853 Views
Well they knew the rules before they started the whole thing snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:12:33 PM 732 Views
Why would you complain if you won? nossy - 05/08/2010 04:15:20 PM 799 Views
You could recognise that you won by the system working in a way you don't like? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:23:58 PM 673 Views
I'm sure that happens, in general. nossy - 06/08/2010 02:43:18 PM 655 Views
It seems to happen a lot nowadays snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:06:33 PM 686 Views
It's so weird that you feel differently - there is only room for one opinion here! nossy - 06/08/2010 03:41:52 PM 606 Views
There is only room for one opinion and mine is the right one snoopcester - 06/08/2010 03:49:16 PM 729 Views
instead it should be decided by judges who answer to no one? *NM* random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:12:59 AM 407 Views
The same judges who upheld our private right to bear arms. Tom - 05/08/2010 02:09:07 PM 817 Views
not when judges stop using the Constitution random thoughts - 05/08/2010 02:30:51 PM 800 Views
Sexual preference is not the right being protected. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:22:04 PM 857 Views
I know that the 14th amendment is routinely used in ways it was never intended. random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:25:07 PM 768 Views
I realize that, but it is ultimately a good thing. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:31:19 PM 846 Views
I am really on the fence a bit on the whole issue random thoughts - 05/08/2010 06:00:59 PM 814 Views
I generally agree with you. Tom - 05/08/2010 06:33:56 PM 796 Views
let's take away the citizenship of all black people if that's the way you think moondog - 05/08/2010 09:06:23 PM 700 Views
Come now lets not be stupid random thoughts - 06/08/2010 05:31:18 PM 665 Views
sorry but your statement was completely ignorant. moondog - 06/08/2010 07:27:09 PM 786 Views
I will talk as soon as you stop spouting stupid rhetoric and say something relevant random thoughts - 06/08/2010 07:54:09 PM 753 Views
bullshit. you will personally attack me no matter what i say. moondog - 07/08/2010 02:04:04 PM 804 Views
Let's just be clear about which amendment is which. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:50:57 PM 667 Views
but that still ignores intent and expands the law in ways not intnented when it created random thoughts - 06/08/2010 04:53:43 AM 726 Views
Yes, no, no, and no. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 05:29:09 AM 773 Views
there are serious flaws in your thinking here random thoughts - 06/08/2010 06:18:13 PM 829 Views
Your assertions continue to lack support. Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 07:23:17 PM 859 Views
not all you just refuse to see things you disagree with random thoughts - 06/08/2010 08:36:32 PM 826 Views
...said the pot to the kettle Dreaded Anomaly - 06/08/2010 09:17:28 PM 905 Views
yes but a shiny stainless steel pot random thoughts - 09/08/2010 11:21:33 PM 966 Views
You continue to be wrong about history and the role of courts. Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 01:05:39 AM 1292 Views
If he's wrong, a lot of law scholars and Supreme Court Justices are wrong. Legolas - 10/08/2010 01:44:05 AM 749 Views
Brown vs. Board of Education, 'nuff said. *NM* Dreaded Anomaly - 10/08/2010 04:32:37 AM 404 Views
Actually, that only proves his point, if I understand correctly. *NM* Legolas - 10/08/2010 11:11:19 AM 433 Views
part oif the problem appears to be you completely missing the point random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:23:19 PM 963 Views
let my simplify my argument random thoughts - 10/08/2010 01:42:47 PM 688 Views
There's a simple way to determine the degree to which that opinion is objective or subjective... Legolas - 06/08/2010 09:32:21 PM 694 Views
Since when is marriage a right? *NM* Jeordam - 05/08/2010 04:11:16 PM 392 Views
it may not be a "right"... LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:22:44 PM 700 Views
This is where the debate comes into play.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:04:08 PM 721 Views
How much would it change the debate if it was nurture, really? Legolas - 05/08/2010 09:48:22 PM 740 Views
except this is not merely a matter of changing society LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:18:48 PM 782 Views
1948. *NM* jh - 05/08/2010 04:50:30 PM 392 Views
It's a benefit that is being extended selectively to one set of the populace. Tom - 05/08/2010 04:52:52 PM 781 Views
Hey, I'm single.... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:05:41 PM 703 Views
That's a specious argument and you know it. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:13:17 PM 765 Views
A homosexual has every opportunity as well..... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 05:23:56 PM 722 Views
Oh quit the bullshit already. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:29:15 PM 916 Views
Slow your role... Jeordam - 05/08/2010 09:08:54 PM 814 Views
Your religious beliefs have 100% to do with your position. Tom - 05/08/2010 09:43:23 PM 861 Views
Sorry, but what a nonsense. ironclad - 05/08/2010 09:27:17 PM 705 Views
hey that's it, jens! you solved the WHOLE PROBLEM!!! LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 11:24:29 PM 820 Views
ON TO WORLD HUNGER! ironclad - 06/08/2010 07:59:51 AM 711 Views
LET THEM HAVE CAEK. *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 02:29:56 PM 375 Views
Are you sure it's wise to feed people on a lie? *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 02:34:26 PM 467 Views
People are fed lies all the time LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:30:37 PM 692 Views
Quite so, but I don't think it's commonly a mainstay of their diet *NM* Floffe - 06/08/2010 09:50:33 PM 407 Views
It is the only thing which is abundant enough for everyone to have some... *NM* jh - 06/08/2010 10:01:44 PM 664 Views
I agree with you Sareitha Sedai - 05/08/2010 05:06:40 PM 759 Views
That's not valid. Tom - 05/08/2010 05:26:50 PM 752 Views
I invite you to read the judge's conclusions, linked again inside. Dreaded Anomaly - 05/08/2010 11:43:44 PM 797 Views
Since 1948 Napoleon62 - 06/08/2010 04:01:02 AM 913 Views
gah. can. only. see. typo. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 03:43:21 PM 370 Views
I don't see any typo... *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:07:18 PM 424 Views
Open the link. *NM* nossy - 06/08/2010 04:47:04 PM 518 Views
Oh, right. Yeah, that does kinda detract from things. *NM* Legolas - 06/08/2010 04:48:47 PM 403 Views
I agree random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:22:17 AM 770 Views
And Civil Rights lost the Democrats the South. Dannymac - 05/08/2010 03:44:56 PM 782 Views
but it was done by congress passing laws and the president signing those laws random thoughts - 05/08/2010 04:20:19 PM 731 Views
uhm, what? LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 04:24:43 PM 719 Views
those were mostly rulings up holding laws not stiking them down random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:05:15 PM 808 Views
I was under the impression that the supreme court had a role in it snoopcester - 05/08/2010 04:31:51 PM 718 Views
but the court was not over turning the laws passed by congress random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:11:06 PM 756 Views
No, like in this case, isn't it? snoopcester - 05/08/2010 05:24:19 PM 698 Views
I would say that is another case of judicial activism and shows the danger of the practice random thoughts - 05/08/2010 05:43:02 PM 672 Views
Which one is? I imagine from different view points both are. snoopcester - 06/08/2010 10:34:11 AM 670 Views
The law wasn't constitutional. Dannymac - 07/08/2010 06:17:04 AM 707 Views
well it will take a higher court to decide that random thoughts - 09/08/2010 10:46:15 PM 742 Views
Hard to believe it's the same governor who said "Gay marriage should be between a man and a woman." *NM* TaskmasterJack - 04/08/2010 11:05:45 PM 480 Views
Or "Iff it bleeds we can kill itt!" *NM* ironclad - 04/08/2010 11:14:45 PM 454 Views
Another step in the right direction. *NM* snoopcester - 04/08/2010 11:08:15 PM 471 Views
Link to the full court order inside: Dreaded Anomaly - 04/08/2010 11:43:29 PM 911 Views
The judge quoting Scalia in favour of gay marriage is fairly amusing. Legolas - 04/08/2010 11:50:47 PM 771 Views
What page was that on? Tim - 05/08/2010 11:25:49 AM 689 Views
Nah, it was way above page 109, in the findings of fact somewhere. Legolas - 05/08/2010 12:37:48 PM 796 Views
Oh, that is brilliant. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:12:21 PM 701 Views
Pretty much. Legolas - 05/08/2010 01:44:22 PM 825 Views
I've always wondered what basis there is for banning necrophilia if "it's disgusting" is invalid. Tim - 05/08/2010 01:51:19 PM 779 Views
because you cannot give consent when you are dead? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:04:46 PM 789 Views
what if you give consent while you are still alive? random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:21:59 PM 856 Views
Is it then illegal? Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:23:46 PM 777 Views
given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence snoopcester - 05/08/2010 03:33:11 PM 833 Views
Re: given I imagine the pro-necrophilia lobby isn't strong in numbers or influence Camilla - 05/08/2010 03:34:57 PM 883 Views
I would think it would be illegal even then random thoughts - 05/08/2010 03:34:31 PM 794 Views
Wikipedia to the rescue! Legolas - 05/08/2010 04:20:15 PM 928 Views
you would hope the other states would cover it under improper treatmentof human remains random thoughts - 05/08/2010 07:38:59 PM 739 Views
A dead body is just an object, not a person with rights. Tom - 05/08/2010 03:27:08 PM 780 Views
Yes, but Camilla - 06/08/2010 08:42:05 AM 732 Views
Absolutely not. Tom - 06/08/2010 03:21:14 PM 780 Views
not to mention necrophilia has a large potential to be hazardous to health. LadyLorraine - 06/08/2010 09:42:43 PM 846 Views
That was a very well written judgement. Tim - 05/08/2010 11:24:38 AM 790 Views
Tom - 05/08/2010 12:10:02 AM 785 Views
Totally agree. Rebekah - 05/08/2010 01:01:42 PM 828 Views
+1 *NM* LadyLorraine - 05/08/2010 03:42:08 PM 418 Views
Irrelevant decision.....this was heading to SCOTUS from day 1 *NM* trzaska2000 - 05/08/2010 12:53:26 AM 436 Views
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