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On that tangent though, an interesting article Isaac Send a noteboard - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM
A House of Worship or a Symbol of Destruction?

16/08/2010
By Abdul Rahman Al-Rashid


US President Barack Obama adopted a difficult position when he supported the building of a mosque near ground zero, where 3,000 US citizens died at the hands of Al-Qaeda terrorists on 11 September 2001.

Despite the fact that the president adopted the correct stance in principle, i.e. the principle of freedom of worship, in my opinion he adopted an unnecessary and unimportant stance, even as far as Muslims are concerned. The mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they are not bothered by its construction.

This reminds us of another principled stance Obama took when he insisted on putting the Guantanamo prisoners accused of belonging to Al-Qaeda on trial before civilian courts, and on closing down the military prison. It is true that this stance deserves appreciation. However, the fact is that he fought a battle that does not concern Muslims across the world, because there are tens of thousands of Muslims - similar to those accused of extremism - who are imprisoned in worse conditions in Muslim countries.

Muslims do not aspire for a mosque next to the 11 September cemetery, and are not bothered with Bin Ladin's cook being put on trial in a civilian court. Muslims have issues that encroach upon the destinies of nations; these issues are the cause of isolation and calamity, such as the establishment of the State of Palestine. For Obama to focus his energy and efforts, and fight for the establishment of peace in the Middle East is more important and more valuable than a mosque in New York.

The fact is that building a mosque next to the site of the World Trade Center Twin Towers, which were destroyed during the 11 September attacks, is a strange story. This is because the mosque is not an issue for Muslims, and they have not heard of it until the shouting became loud between the supporters and the objectors, which is mostly an argument between non-Muslim US citizens!

Neither did the Muslims ask for a single building, nor do the angry Muslims want the mosque. This is one of the few times when the two opposing sides are in agreement. Nevertheless, the dispute has escalated, and has reached the front pages of the press and the major television programs, demonstrations have been staged in the streets, and large posters have been hung on buses roaming the streets of New York calling for preventing the building of the mosque and reminding the people of the 11 September crime. It really is a strange battle!

I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!

The sides enthusiastic for building the mosque might be building companies, architect houses, or politicized groups that want suitable investments?! I do not know whether the building applicant wants a mosque whose aim is reconciliation, or he is an investor who wants quick profits. This is because the idea of the mosque specifically next to the destruction is not at all a clever deed. The last thing Muslims want today is to build just a religious center out of defiance to the others, or a symbolic mosque that people visit as a museum next to a cemetery.

What the US citizens do not understand is that the battle against the 11 September terrorists is a Muslim battle, and not theirs, and this battle still is ablaze in more than 20 Muslim countries. Some Muslims will consider that building a mosque on this site immortalizes and commemorates what was done by the terrorists who committed their crime in the name of Islam. I do not think that the majority of Muslims want to build a symbol or a worship place that tomorrow might become a place about which the terrorists and their Muslim followers boast, and which will become a shrine for Islam haters whose aim is to turn the public opinion against Islam. This is what has started to happen now; they claim that there is a mosque being built over the corpses of 3,000 killed US citizens, who were buried alive by people chanting God is great, which is the same call that will be heard from the mosque.

It is the wrong battle, because originally there was no mosque in order to rebuild it, and there are no practicing Muslims who want a place in which to worship.
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Wait, wait WAIT! The location for the so-called "mosque at ground zero" is actually 2 blocks away?! - 17/08/2010 03:19:02 PM 2658 Views
it's still too close!! IT'S TOO CLOSE I SAY - 17/08/2010 03:23:12 PM 1648 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 11:40:26 AM 730 Views
Yes, it is. - 17/08/2010 03:23:33 PM 1667 Views
Another stupid question...is it even actually a mosque? - 17/08/2010 03:28:37 PM 1509 Views
I've heard the same. - 17/08/2010 03:30:36 PM 1429 Views
So - 17/08/2010 03:35:43 PM 1543 Views
blog link - 17/08/2010 03:41:43 PM 1767 Views
that's correct *NM* - 17/08/2010 03:51:38 PM 726 Views
it's both from what I've heard. - 17/08/2010 04:00:54 PM 1424 Views
sort of like most churches, mosques and temples? *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:04:12 PM 722 Views
mmm, i think more like... - 17/08/2010 04:08:55 PM 1405 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:08 PM 1314 Views
A memorial! - 17/08/2010 04:58:52 PM 1538 Views
it is a community center with a mosque - 17/08/2010 04:28:09 PM 1470 Views
my wife's church has a play ground and community center - 17/08/2010 04:47:52 PM 1427 Views
okay, cool then - 17/08/2010 05:17:04 PM 1264 Views
I was just being nit picky - 17/08/2010 05:44:36 PM 1269 Views
Been hearing a lot on NPR - 17/08/2010 03:32:42 PM 1502 Views
I could see it being insensitive if it were actually where the towers used to be. - 17/08/2010 03:43:18 PM 1594 Views
Yeah. - 17/08/2010 03:51:13 PM 1522 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 04:02:44 PM 1371 Views
you should probably keep in mind.... - 17/08/2010 04:02:25 PM 1526 Views
So - 17/08/2010 04:06:18 PM 1576 Views
don't use that term at all. Say WTC. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:27:32 AM 735 Views
I know. - 17/08/2010 04:26:19 PM 1419 Views
it certainly has turned into a political land mine for Obama... - 17/08/2010 03:54:03 PM 1442 Views
True - 17/08/2010 04:02:04 PM 1243 Views
unfortunately... - 17/08/2010 04:05:08 PM 1394 Views
That's because they are pussies. - 17/08/2010 04:10:59 PM 1560 Views
This is beginning to sound familiar. - 17/08/2010 05:18:37 PM 1631 Views
with the senate majority leader weighing it I don't believe it is all how it is mostly on the right - 17/08/2010 05:58:10 PM 1509 Views
Seems we disagree on that, then. - 17/08/2010 06:05:33 PM 1490 Views
hardly the first time - 17/08/2010 06:56:33 PM 1460 Views
Well, since day 1 of this whole debate alot of the opposition has come from the right. - 17/08/2010 10:50:49 PM 1498 Views
you assume it is pandering maybe they just agree with the majority - 18/08/2010 02:30:53 AM 1418 Views
I'm not saying it's a partisan issue, but it has turned political for all the wrong reasons. - 18/08/2010 04:18:49 AM 1579 Views
is the idea that it is not to close to ground zero the misinformation you are refering to? - 18/08/2010 03:09:17 PM 1420 Views
Well, it's not like they're literally on ground zero. - 18/08/2010 08:54:08 PM 1584 Views
ground zero is defined as where the old WTC complex was - 19/08/2010 12:23:32 PM 1403 Views
And anything within a 3 block radius apparently? - 20/08/2010 04:44:25 AM 1445 Views
Guess which of them will be out of a job in January? - 18/08/2010 01:22:49 PM 1439 Views
the only reason Obama won't be out of job is he isn't running - 18/08/2010 03:10:58 PM 1393 Views
Oh, I dunno if you could translate the current numbers into Obamas defeat. - 18/08/2010 03:52:18 PM 1450 Views
Bush's numbers were much better in 04 then Obama's are now - 18/08/2010 04:11:31 PM 1546 Views
Perhaps so then. - 19/08/2010 04:51:36 PM 1434 Views
it was a large event so two half blocks really is pretty damn close - 17/08/2010 04:03:17 PM 1541 Views
Here's a map of the site for perspective - 17/08/2010 04:08:41 PM 1598 Views
so 2 blocks from the superblock then? - 17/08/2010 04:13:03 PM 1644 Views
I guess, superblock is an obscure term to this country lad - 17/08/2010 04:41:11 PM 1411 Views
It may not necessarily matter to people who are aware of that fact. - 17/08/2010 05:13:12 PM 1396 Views
mk, well, to my mind (being from phoeni, 1 full city block is about 1 mile. - 17/08/2010 05:15:49 PM 1461 Views
A mile is a serious exaggeration, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:24:48 PM 1584 Views
Remember, I did say in Phoenix - 17/08/2010 05:27:43 PM 1504 Views
I really need to see Phoenix some day. - 17/08/2010 05:32:40 PM 1497 Views
i still think houston is more spread out than phoenix - 18/08/2010 08:21:10 AM 1494 Views
unless you go far enough west of course - 18/08/2010 03:30:45 PM 1361 Views
most of california is pretty spread out, city-wise. - 19/08/2010 02:16:44 AM 1323 Views
true, I was think along the lines of San Fransico - 19/08/2010 03:47:12 AM 1410 Views
Absolutely. - 17/08/2010 05:28:38 PM 1475 Views
In NYC, generally 1 mile = 20 blocks *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:25:21 PM 778 Views
Okay. I guess i just forget how much larger Phoenix is *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:28:13 PM 677 Views
Google Earth says 500 feet between mosque and GZ *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:30:59 PM 688 Views
Clarify: 500 ft between the mosque and the border of the area on the map? *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:03:51 PM 698 Views
Probably, given my corner-to-corner result. *NM* - 17/08/2010 07:26:19 PM 723 Views
Yes, down West Broadway (contains old ground view from site) - 17/08/2010 07:31:58 PM 1639 Views
Personally, I think this supports Ave's point. - 17/08/2010 04:16:15 PM 1518 Views
yes... - 17/08/2010 04:29:51 PM 1521 Views
Right. - 17/08/2010 04:31:29 PM 1467 Views
Believe me, honey. - 17/08/2010 04:32:47 PM 1325 Views
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You know what else is on Park Place? A strip club. - 17/08/2010 11:58:56 PM 1398 Views
Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:06:27 AM 1473 Views
Re: Really? I had no idea - 18/08/2010 12:24:54 AM 1487 Views
Hmm... - 18/08/2010 01:23:14 AM 1423 Views
I didn't even know I was responding to you. - 18/08/2010 04:08:36 AM 1402 Views
Thanks - 18/08/2010 04:23:47 AM 1395 Views
It happens...? - 18/08/2010 01:29:44 PM 1236 Views
knowing there's a strip club and "walking those streets"; seems like you've "gotten around" - 18/08/2010 02:03:14 AM 1453 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 04:10:10 AM 705 Views
They're building on the hallowed ground of a Burlington Coat Factory! - 17/08/2010 04:13:06 PM 1492 Views
how so? - 17/08/2010 04:14:17 PM 1322 Views
Maybe it's got something to do with Cordoba, Spain? - 17/08/2010 04:16:38 PM 1391 Views
From when the Moors conquered Spain - 17/08/2010 04:18:18 PM 1573 Views
ah mk. fair enough then. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:35:39 PM 830 Views
to clarify though - 17/08/2010 04:50:19 PM 1367 Views
in that respect, I rather like the name *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:23:18 PM 765 Views
Yes, but you have to remember the mindset of those protesting. - 17/08/2010 09:49:26 PM 1446 Views
Oh indeed - 18/08/2010 10:20:45 AM 1473 Views
Oh, yeah. I foolishly assumed people would know that part. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:34:39 PM 737 Views
Sorry, but the card says it was "the Moops" so you must be wrong. - 18/08/2010 03:56:11 PM 1424 Views
Aaaaaaaaagh - 18/08/2010 04:13:17 PM 1416 Views
*NM* - 18/08/2010 05:31:20 PM 698 Views
Or a Christian conquest of Islam, surely. - 17/08/2010 05:07:53 PM 1521 Views
Right on the button. *NM* - 17/08/2010 04:19:39 PM 711 Views
Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:33:31 PM 1359 Views
Re: Ezra Klein made a good point in the Washington Post... - 17/08/2010 04:34:47 PM 1373 Views
it was a rhetorical question in his column - 17/08/2010 04:43:25 PM 1475 Views
that is hardly the same thing - 17/08/2010 04:56:43 PM 1447 Views
so suppose... - 17/08/2010 06:06:03 PM 1382 Views
I am sure it will I just don't see the relevance - 17/08/2010 06:57:41 PM 1494 Views
My question is, why would you want to put a mosque/community center/thing that close? - 17/08/2010 04:39:05 PM 1382 Views
angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:45:01 PM 1507 Views
I was going to guess 4 protests to your earlier post. - 17/08/2010 04:50:08 PM 1477 Views
Re: angry New Yorkers? - 17/08/2010 04:53:58 PM 1414 Views
I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 04:56:28 PM 1515 Views
Re: I was wondering about that. - 17/08/2010 05:05:50 PM 1496 Views
interesting map, thanks for posting it. *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:55:06 PM 755 Views
That's a good point too and I didn't think about that. - 17/08/2010 05:39:53 PM 1589 Views
I think what this position misses - 17/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 1634 Views
Ok, sure. - 17/08/2010 06:09:33 PM 1504 Views
Hoboken? - 17/08/2010 09:06:07 PM 1330 Views
Indeed. Not a serious suggestion about putting it there. - 17/08/2010 09:13:35 PM 1328 Views
angry New Yorkers? Geez, we are more civilized than that, thank you. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:01:12 AM 675 Views
not really *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:31:46 AM 599 Views
your opinion is noted. now go eff yourself. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:11:25 AM 644 Views
that's pretty good - 18/08/2010 04:44:14 AM 1415 Views
and a heart fuck off to you but thanks for the ironic reply *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:18:25 PM 676 Views
How is it ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:43:50 PM 750 Views
How was his uncivilized response ironic? *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:18:17 PM 658 Views
Yes. Where is the irony? - 18/08/2010 04:20:57 PM 1365 Views
Re: How was his uncivilized response ironic? - 18/08/2010 04:23:25 PM 1354 Views
Aaah - 18/08/2010 04:31:02 PM 1418 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:30:07 PM 1352 Views
Re: Aaah - 18/08/2010 05:38:47 PM 1418 Views
To both of you: her. And she. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:44:03 PM 682 Views
I knew that. *NM* - 18/08/2010 05:45:21 PM 668 Views
I'm not a New Yorker. Not impuning your civility either. - 19/08/2010 02:45:55 AM 1597 Views
Something I'm confused on - 17/08/2010 04:59:41 PM 1686 Views
another thing to consider. - 17/08/2010 05:02:38 PM 1380 Views
You'll have to explain to me what that has to do with what I said - 17/08/2010 05:10:21 PM 1369 Views
I don't think anyone is saying it's not "near" ground zero. - 17/08/2010 05:12:52 PM 1470 Views
Of course you're confused. It was a tangental thought. - 17/08/2010 06:06:29 PM 1424 Views
On that tangent though, an interesting article - 17/08/2010 07:50:44 PM 1484 Views
I understand there's also a strip club and a xxx movie rental shop within that same 2 blocks radius. - 17/08/2010 05:09:26 PM 1466 Views
Looks like 2 or 3 blocks, I love Google Earth - 17/08/2010 05:17:01 PM 1508 Views
True but the buildings were not nocked down by radical strippers *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:52:04 PM 698 Views
Joss Whedon purchased the rights to this movie already. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:29:34 PM 743 Views
*NM* - 17/08/2010 06:38:27 PM 676 Views
Yep. Is true. *NM* - 17/08/2010 11:59:31 PM 699 Views
What do strip clubs and dirty movies and gay bars have to do with 9/11? *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:33:59 AM 705 Views
Nothing, which is precisely the point. *NM* - 18/08/2010 12:37:52 AM 712 Views
Can you explain your point to me then? Because I'm not following it. - 18/08/2010 01:21:13 AM 1355 Views
Pretty much what Greg said. - 18/08/2010 09:39:33 AM 1431 Views
then you are missing the point - 18/08/2010 04:02:49 PM 1573 Views
In all fairness... - 18/08/2010 09:46:26 PM 1466 Views
these guys are not babes in the woods - 19/08/2010 12:28:24 PM 1315 Views
I never said they were. - 20/08/2010 04:56:53 AM 1480 Views
Respond/Double post. *NM* - 20/08/2010 04:57:25 AM 630 Views
This whole debate disgusts me. - 17/08/2010 05:24:56 PM 1633 Views
I'm not going to ask why. *NM* - 17/08/2010 06:21:13 PM 680 Views
Agreed - 17/08/2010 08:10:34 PM 1584 Views
Yep, I see a lot of ugliness in this discussion - 18/08/2010 11:42:34 AM 1393 Views
Jon Stewart made good point last night - 17/08/2010 05:34:19 PM 1496 Views
but it's the CONCEPT!!! practical effect is not the POINT of political debate!! *NM* - 17/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 696 Views
which is why Obama was crazy to get anywhere this issue - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1371 Views
He's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't - 17/08/2010 06:18:16 PM 1373 Views
that really isn't true - 17/08/2010 07:09:29 PM 1470 Views
yah he really should have just stayed mum about it - 17/08/2010 07:37:03 PM 1430 Views
Ye gods, I agree with you AND CELIA! - 18/08/2010 01:36:21 PM 1585 Views
double post - 17/08/2010 06:01:44 PM 1384 Views
Hatemongers gotta hate. - 17/08/2010 07:43:17 PM 1430 Views
More than anything, I see this being a sensitivity issue.... - 17/08/2010 07:43:45 PM 1415 Views
- 17/08/2010 07:52:07 PM 1426 Views
Right on. - 17/08/2010 08:09:44 PM 1367 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:20 PM 1163 Views
yah, it sounds like the builders aren't being very thoughtful in their PR. - 17/08/2010 08:12:21 PM 1452 Views
are you serious? - 17/08/2010 08:01:01 PM 1519 Views
I think you got the point right there. - 17/08/2010 08:08:21 PM 1424 Views
Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:14:27 PM 1411 Views
The point is your analogy does not hold - 17/08/2010 08:19:29 PM 1404 Views
Plus - 17/08/2010 08:26:36 PM 1476 Views
Yes. That. *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:28:14 PM 1308 Views
we should all learn pool saftey from pigeons and sparrows. - 17/08/2010 08:37:37 PM 1331 Views
Sicko! - 17/08/2010 08:48:05 PM 1390 Views
Re: Yes, I am... - 17/08/2010 08:42:27 PM 1489 Views
Just to be a pain in the... - 17/08/2010 09:10:11 PM 1441 Views
Aren't they? - 17/08/2010 09:19:58 PM 1488 Views
You may be interested in... - 17/08/2010 09:23:48 PM 1588 Views
*nods* So I was right.... - 17/08/2010 09:26:59 PM 1283 Views
actually, it depends on the extent of the burning. - 17/08/2010 11:01:11 PM 1365 Views
That is probably not fair - 17/08/2010 11:12:22 PM 1385 Views
I know! - 18/08/2010 03:06:25 AM 1401 Views
it's all relative. - 18/08/2010 03:33:35 AM 1548 Views
Using a touch of hyperbole, perhaps? - 18/08/2010 10:18:36 AM 1453 Views
I'm so proud of you for noticing! - 18/08/2010 10:48:14 AM 1519 Views
Just making sure you knew I wasn't mistaking your reply for a constructive one - 18/08/2010 12:08:41 PM 1375 Views
I give constuctive replies where they are due - 18/08/2010 12:30:42 PM 1460 Views
- 18/08/2010 12:33:57 PM 1440 Views
- 18/08/2010 12:41:27 PM 1517 Views
Hey Snoop... - 18/08/2010 12:47:13 PM 1489 Views
What the hell were these people smoking? - 18/08/2010 02:14:44 PM 1571 Views
COMPLETELY unrelated point that I don't blame you for ignoring... - 19/08/2010 04:25:31 AM 1356 Views
And yet that's very close to what MADD and SADD do. - 18/08/2010 01:56:51 PM 1551 Views
you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:22:23 PM 1392 Views
Re: you are right of course - 17/08/2010 08:34:31 PM 1547 Views
I agree. - 17/08/2010 08:46:07 PM 1361 Views
you could be correct but it still shows a lack of sensitivity - 17/08/2010 09:34:46 PM 1556 Views
I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing - 17/08/2010 08:10:01 PM 1539 Views
Re: I don't disagree that it's a sensitivity thing *NM* - 17/08/2010 08:29:59 PM 633 Views
This. - 17/08/2010 08:31:17 PM 1427 Views
So, you're saying muslims should leave nyc to show their sensitivity, right? - 17/08/2010 10:31:55 PM 1362 Views
so your saying you always speak in over the top rhetoric? - 18/08/2010 03:22:20 PM 1251 Views
Well explain what the difference is, then - 18/08/2010 07:14:46 PM 1400 Views
not really sure how to start - 18/08/2010 08:23:34 PM 1458 Views
THANK YOU - 18/08/2010 01:13:16 AM 1491 Views
Take deep breaths.. - 18/08/2010 05:25:16 AM 1427 Views
Typing a post didn't really require all that much effort - 18/08/2010 06:13:15 AM 1480 Views
There are more important things in the world to worry about - 18/08/2010 08:51:35 AM 1480 Views
I do get angry over other things, you know - 18/08/2010 10:02:02 AM 1427 Views
Pretty much, yeah. - 18/08/2010 09:00:09 PM 1439 Views
: - 18/08/2010 02:52:51 PM 1571 Views
So what, the Americans supporting this mosque are "arrogant European pricks"? - 18/08/2010 10:12:51 AM 1286 Views
Kind of a stretch for you to make that assumption - 18/08/2010 11:31:16 AM 1484 Views
I hadn't read that other exchange yet, it made more sense after that. - 18/08/2010 12:35:18 PM 1523 Views
A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:23:11 AM 1466 Views
Here comes the "xenophobia card." - 18/08/2010 01:27:50 AM 1522 Views
Which is why there was a bombing at another mosque earlier this year - 18/08/2010 01:31:51 AM 1408 Views
So? - 18/08/2010 01:39:49 AM 1488 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:28:44 AM 1545 Views
Re: A mosque was built in the Pentagon months after 9/11 - 18/08/2010 01:34:22 AM 1496 Views
A guy on CNN made a really good point about this - 17/08/2010 08:46:54 PM 1530 Views
hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 09:22:15 PM 1441 Views
Re: hmm yes but that black man hadn't killed his dog - 17/08/2010 10:32:24 PM 1582 Views
precisely. - 17/08/2010 11:20:06 PM 1315 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 01:32:09 AM 1437 Views
Re: precisely. - 18/08/2010 09:10:33 AM 1413 Views
not surprising that a guy on CNN made that point - 17/08/2010 09:38:16 PM 1511 Views
Yeah this whole debate is pretty pointless to be completely honest - 17/08/2010 10:28:13 PM 1465 Views
An interesting point - 18/08/2010 03:44:52 AM 1488 Views
In fairness, it's extremely hard to draw that line sometimes. - 18/08/2010 10:27:24 AM 1392 Views
well we have been shot at from enough mosque to make it hard to tell at times - 18/08/2010 08:25:58 PM 1455 Views
I think this whole debate has made American look bad. - 17/08/2010 10:58:23 PM 1376 Views
So what? - 18/08/2010 12:28:40 AM 1456 Views
Okay, so we're no longer the land of religous tolerance. - 18/08/2010 04:09:24 AM 1641 Views
Were we ever? - 18/08/2010 04:18:16 AM 1611 Views
I guess not. - 18/08/2010 04:25:03 AM 1553 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 05:56:49 AM 1425 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 10:43:05 AM 1414 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 12:13:37 PM 1248 Views
Re: I guess not. - 18/08/2010 09:30:21 PM 1372 Views
Yes, we were. - 18/08/2010 02:34:39 PM 1418 Views
Olberman's Special Comment on this one hits the nail on the head - 18/08/2010 01:29:45 AM 1521 Views
love that the Olberman video, but Jon Stewart did an awesome job too. *NM* - 18/08/2010 01:32:59 AM 654 Views
Olbermann and Stewart are possibly the two best people alive *NM* - 18/08/2010 02:39:48 AM 738 Views
they make the top of my list for people I wnat to catch an STD *NM* - 18/08/2010 08:27:27 PM 668 Views
Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:20:38 PM 1481 Views
Re: Let me just say... - 18/08/2010 09:22:12 PM 1457 Views
I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. *NM* - 18/08/2010 10:11:22 PM 705 Views
Re: I didn't watch that particular video, so maybe, yeah. - 18/08/2010 10:45:54 PM 1477 Views
O'Reilly isn't as bad as he's made out to be. (edit) - 18/08/2010 11:10:33 PM 1509 Views
I'm pretty sure I agree with you. - 18/08/2010 10:48:09 PM 1365 Views
Why is it weird? - 18/08/2010 11:00:20 PM 1427 Views
dayum! thats like the ultimate insult *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:37:53 AM 650 Views
Stewart is great, but Olberman? You can't be serious. *NM* - 18/08/2010 11:23:17 PM 745 Views
I love that poem - 18/08/2010 12:26:58 PM 1549 Views
I used to be so Idealistic to think this was AMERICA. - 18/08/2010 01:44:38 AM 1510 Views
It is America - 18/08/2010 01:49:35 AM 1500 Views
the key phrase is "congress shall make no law...." - 18/08/2010 02:23:53 AM 1541 Views
14th ammendment changed that *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:51:08 AM 671 Views
14th ammendment established a state religion? - 18/08/2010 08:14:11 AM 1334 Views
No, but the Equal Protection Clause extended much of the BoR to the states. - 18/08/2010 02:50:31 PM 1464 Views
did you go the the Huffington Post school of law? - 18/08/2010 03:29:14 PM 1396 Views
No, but I've spent more time around lawyers than I care to admit. - 18/08/2010 03:45:36 PM 1488 Views
the defendent doesn't always get a complete picture *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:25:36 PM 684 Views
The only time I was ever in a courtroom was as a spectator. - 19/08/2010 04:33:56 PM 1476 Views
It was meant to be a short comment - 19/08/2010 01:13:39 AM 1519 Views
we also have freedom of speech - 18/08/2010 03:25:52 PM 1362 Views
The connection is inevitable and, I think, deliberate. - 18/08/2010 01:15:41 PM 1588 Views
Hmm - 18/08/2010 02:26:17 PM 1349 Views
Bottom line is it may be in everyones interest to DISassociate Islam from 911. - 18/08/2010 02:58:17 PM 1429 Views
No, bottom line is people need to be able to keep to thoughts in their brains at any given time *NM* - 18/08/2010 03:31:03 PM 667 Views
You mean retain both "I want to promote Islam" AND "Dude, Ground Zero is right THERE! *points*" - 18/08/2010 03:36:34 PM 1388 Views
No - 18/08/2010 03:43:08 PM 1445 Views
They clearly are tied to it. - 18/08/2010 03:59:45 PM 1466 Views
How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:48:53 PM 1354 Views
Re: How long ago were the Crusades? - 18/08/2010 03:52:23 PM 1392 Views
So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:09:10 PM 1335 Views
Yes, Jerodam. Christians are good. All the rest are bad. I see it now. - 18/08/2010 04:10:47 PM 1413 Views
Stop freaking out Camilla. You are such a drama queen some times. - 18/08/2010 04:15:06 PM 1431 Views
That is not drama. That is fed up. *NM* - 18/08/2010 04:16:32 PM 768 Views
You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:24:27 PM 1247 Views
*giggle* - 18/08/2010 04:29:03 PM 1428 Views
We don't know that.... - 18/08/2010 05:40:25 PM 1416 Views
We do - 18/08/2010 05:49:33 PM 1532 Views
Re: You're not the only one who is fed up.... - 18/08/2010 04:38:04 PM 1452 Views
This may be nitpicking, but I'll do it anyway because it's a widespread misconception... - 18/08/2010 04:30:20 PM 1378 Views
THANK YOU! - 18/08/2010 06:11:52 PM 1314 Views
Re: So wait... - 18/08/2010 04:45:53 PM 1386 Views
maybe it is actions that led to the crusades that never ended - 19/08/2010 12:25:20 PM 1312 Views
I have to agree with Jeo that that's unfair. - 19/08/2010 02:47:23 PM 1596 Views
The Crusades were by Christendom as a whole*, 9-11 isn't similar for Islam by some way - 18/08/2010 04:04:54 PM 1397 Views
Depends whom you ask, when and where. - 19/08/2010 03:06:18 PM 1343 Views
Right - 20/08/2010 10:31:21 AM 1405 Views
Some people will always wonder about such things; we're still accused of "Crusading" today. - 18/08/2010 04:07:02 PM 1416 Views
I don't disagree about the outreach, as such, but a remark... - 18/08/2010 04:37:52 PM 1286 Views
It's as much a local issue as the theme park Disney wanted to build at Gettysburg. - 19/08/2010 03:15:03 PM 1321 Views
Have you ever BEEN to Gettysburg? - 19/08/2010 05:21:18 PM 1263 Views
A bit more background information - 18/08/2010 05:30:04 PM 1548 Views
That's informative, thanks, but I'm not sure it really changes anything. - 19/08/2010 03:27:05 PM 1351 Views
Step One: Manufacture controversey by means of misinformation (i.e. Mosque at Ground Zero) - 19/08/2010 06:40:49 PM 1535 Views
To be fair - 20/08/2010 10:38:01 AM 1479 Views
The location of this mosque is a horrid idea. - 21/08/2010 05:34:58 PM 1339 Views
"Think of it as a center for muslim hippies." - 18/08/2010 09:30:55 PM 1474 Views
Can I just say... - 19/08/2010 01:45:38 AM 1310 Views
i have a side bar *NM* - 19/08/2010 03:36:10 AM 597 Views
you must have a teeny screen or a bad resolution - 19/08/2010 05:03:57 AM 1391 Views
I know. - 19/08/2010 12:20:11 PM 1452 Views
Roughly 2 football fields, yes. And around a corner - 19/08/2010 03:17:24 PM 1416 Views
Two hundred yards is nothing. - 19/08/2010 04:44:34 PM 1350 Views
Sure it is - it's two large city blocks - 19/08/2010 05:15:46 PM 1415 Views
It's two fairly average city blocks, and not even that some places. - 21/08/2010 06:07:33 PM 1381 Views
Well you can not like it if you choose - 25/08/2010 03:39:49 PM 1785 Views
You keep stating that this isn't about Islam. - 20/08/2010 11:06:10 AM 1470 Views
That's because it's not. - 21/08/2010 06:17:29 PM 1485 Views

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