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It does nossy Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM
You are smart and reasonably well informed and you are not sure what he said. If he is going to wade into controversy he needs to be crystal clear.

But what it illustrates from my side of the coin is that no one is providing what he said for me to read (and interpret). They are all telling me why he is an idiot for having said... something. I'll have to look harder.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1515 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 911 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 775 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1041 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 793 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 829 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 756 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 492 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 910 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 583 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 480 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 853 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 872 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 716 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1008 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 869 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1017 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 742 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1025 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 891 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 771 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 823 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1154 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 799 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 803 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 498 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 802 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 967 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 403 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 784 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1024 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 910 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 978 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1157 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 997 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 843 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 759 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 888 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 733 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 982 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1003 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 762 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 369 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1054 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1074 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1017 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 404 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 756 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 952 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1041 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 873 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 860 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 938 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 787 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 937 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 811 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 429 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 875 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 935 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 930 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 860 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 747 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1147 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 506 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 769 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 886 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1312 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 968 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 492 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 882 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1062 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 456 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 982 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 924 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 901 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 911 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 885 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 717 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 894 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 900 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 670 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 989 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 918 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1183 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1082 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1311 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1376 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 827 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 887 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 785 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 928 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 556 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1128 Views
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