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wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder Send a noteboard - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM
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The war against the terrorists is not a war against Islam. In fact, you can’t have an effective war against the terrorists if it is a war on Islam.

George W. Bush understood this. And it is odd to see Barack Obama less clear about this matter than his predecessor. It’s time for W. to weigh in.

The man who extended his hand to Tehran has withdrawn his hand from Park Place.

Have any of the screaming critics noticed that there already are two mosques in the same neighborhood — one four blocks away and one 12 blocks away.

The progressive Democrat in the White House, the first president of the United States with Muslim roots, has been morally trumped by Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, two moderate Republicans who have spoken bravely and lucidly about not demonizing and defaming an entire religion in the name of fighting its radicals.
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An amusing column on the NYC mosque by Maureen Dowd.... damookster - 20/08/2010 12:33:27 AM 1602 Views
She has a point. Bush had the guts to weather the storm on DPW. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:42:21 AM 996 Views
DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Tom - 20/08/2010 12:50:14 AM 850 Views
Re: DPW? I keep sitting here trying to figure out what that means. Legolas - 20/08/2010 12:56:44 AM 1130 Views
Once again, listen to the Economist and don't use abbreviations that aren't obvious. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:38:08 PM 891 Views
That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 922 Views
I certainly don't remember seeing it anywhere. The abbreviation was unnecessary in any event. Tom - 20/08/2010 10:43:05 PM 842 Views
Sure, I could've done that, if I had realized it would puzzle people. I did not. *NM* Legolas - 20/08/2010 10:59:42 PM 535 Views
Always assume abbreviations will confuse. Tom - 22/08/2010 06:38:11 PM 1000 Views
My vote goes to Dwarf peyote wigwam. *NM* mapthis - 20/08/2010 12:56:46 AM 623 Views
Deep Plied Wedgie. vote for DPW *NM* StarrBecca - 20/08/2010 01:03:08 AM 526 Views
well since Christie is actually a republican he makes a better example than Bloomberg random thoughts - 20/08/2010 01:53:44 PM 963 Views
wow, that was an interesting read BlackAdder - 20/08/2010 02:03:52 AM 965 Views
Gingrich thinks he is a deep thinker? Camilla - 20/08/2010 09:42:15 AM 804 Views
We've been through this, too, haven't we? Joel - 20/08/2010 10:12:15 AM 1110 Views
He makes historical references as often as possible, or at least in pretty much everything I've seen snoopcester - 20/08/2010 12:37:02 PM 956 Views
As he was a history professor and writes histories and alternate histories, this is not surprising Isaac - 20/08/2010 05:33:48 PM 1104 Views
I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 830 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 12:40:29 AM 1107 Views
Re: I'm aware of that snoopcester - 21/08/2010 01:19:37 AM 969 Views
Re: I'm aware of that Isaac - 21/08/2010 01:59:48 AM 867 Views
Conservatives love Rome. I don't know why. Ghavrel - 21/08/2010 01:20:27 AM 907 Views
Rome was more often than not governed by aristocrats and did, after all, invent the republic. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:50:53 PM 1245 Views
"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 876 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 895 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 538 Views
He did come up with a great plan to take over Congress in 1994. Tom - 20/08/2010 06:39:12 PM 953 Views
Except there doesn't seem to be any conflict between either position. Joel - 20/08/2010 10:06:20 AM 1066 Views
When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 445 Views
True, but it does mean there's no "there" there. Joel - 20/08/2010 02:41:49 PM 885 Views
He has to learn he needs to be crystal clear on sensitive issues random thoughts - 20/08/2010 02:03:43 PM 1102 Views
In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 1002 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 1075 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1253 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 1093 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 923 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 843 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 979 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 825 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 1068 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1084 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 845 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 411 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1153 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1157 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1106 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 443 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 844 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 1036 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1129 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 1003 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 940 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 1018 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 873 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 1029 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 893 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 470 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 966 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 1031 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 1016 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 945 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 829 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1233 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 548 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 849 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 966 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1410 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 1056 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 538 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 967 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1151 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 500 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 1073 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 1015 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 982 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 999 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 976 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 805 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 979 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 991 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 716 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 1070 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 998 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1267 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1177 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1443 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1452 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 910 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 988 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 885 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 1050 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 598 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1221 Views
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