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I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas Send a noteboard - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM
He stressed his understanding for the people who have a problem with this mosque, yes. But by your own reasoning in the paragraph below, that doesn't mean he was choosing their side. He has a long habit of expressing understanding for those who have a different viewpoint from his own, after all. And I just don't see anything in there, neither in tone nor in the words, that expresses actual agreement with that view.

Of course, it's possible he did agree with that view, and that he just didn't want to come out and say that. But then Roland's point still stands - that he did come out and said it the next day to a different audience, thus giving the impression of prevarication and backtracking he gave. One can see why he didn't want to take a stance against the mosque at the yearly iftar - talk about awkward - but by doing it the next day instead, he only made it more awkward because of that impression of either two-facedness or caving in to the criticisms he'd gotten.
As for me, it was clear from the start. I just think that other people are too intent on reading something else into it or not understanding the issue he was addressing.

You may be overestimating your own objectivity in interpreting it that way, then.
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That abbreviation was obvious and all over the place at the time the incident happened. Legolas - 20/08/2010 07:59:08 PM 841 Views
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I'm aware of that snoopcester - 20/08/2010 11:47:32 PM 754 Views
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"One man, one vote" always reminds me of Pratchett Floffe - 21/08/2010 05:03:35 PM 810 Views
Mmm, that seems to be how Romes patricians dealt with it, too. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:09:09 PM 813 Views
Me too *NM* Camilla - 21/08/2010 06:53:22 PM 502 Views
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When has logical consistency trumped politics? *NM* Macharius - 20/08/2010 01:50:55 PM 407 Views
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In Washington, one must always present the APPEARANCE of integrity... Joel - 20/08/2010 02:40:24 PM 922 Views
Clinton lied about the BJ but what is your airtight proof that Bush lied? random thoughts - 20/08/2010 07:44:53 PM 992 Views
Ask and ye shall receive: Joel - 21/08/2010 06:42:50 PM 1168 Views
This is a bit along the lines of what I have been thinking. nossy - 20/08/2010 07:49:15 PM 1010 Views
that sort of illustrates the problem random thoughts - 20/08/2010 08:56:42 PM 854 Views
It does nossy - 22/08/2010 04:56:54 PM 770 Views
Can't find anything now on the context of the second statement. Joel - 21/08/2010 05:05:51 PM 898 Views
I didn't see the problem either. He was simply stating the obvious. Tashmere - 21/08/2010 01:39:44 AM 743 Views
maybe damookster - 21/08/2010 02:49:40 AM 993 Views
Then restating it for those who refused to hear it, so that someone else could refuse to hear it. Joel - 21/08/2010 04:22:30 PM 1015 Views
Wow that is probably the best Dowd column I have ever read Roland00 - 21/08/2010 01:35:36 AM 773 Views
Yes, his backtracking was quite pussy-ish. *NM* everynametaken - 21/08/2010 04:00:31 AM 377 Views
How did he "backtrack" exactly? Joel - 21/08/2010 04:35:33 PM 1069 Views
c'mon Joel. are you being intentionally thick? damookster - 21/08/2010 05:02:27 PM 1086 Views
Having read those quotes I don't think he was backtracking on anything. (With link to speech) Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:27:06 AM 1028 Views
*NM* Avendesora - 22/08/2010 01:37:23 PM 408 Views
did you take into your consideration damookster - 22/08/2010 03:50:59 PM 769 Views
I can't imagine why they would express concern over it. It wasn't controversial. That is on them Tashmere - 22/08/2010 03:58:32 PM 962 Views
that would be damookster - 22/08/2010 04:02:08 PM 1053 Views
But quote B just reiterated what he said the first time. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:13:21 PM 885 Views
I agree he is not backtracking random thoughts - 22/08/2010 06:49:36 PM 871 Views
I agree with you, Joel and Tash on this one. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 07:52:34 PM 951 Views
While we're picking sides, I'm with Mook and Roland. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:20:11 PM 798 Views
I never fail to be impressed with your intelligence damookster - 22/08/2010 08:25:11 PM 949 Views
I like how he's got rhetorical talents when it works nossy - 22/08/2010 08:32:15 PM 821 Views
nope just human *NM* Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:37:17 PM 433 Views
that's not what Paul just said. nossy - 22/08/2010 08:42:24 PM 886 Views
He couldn't stay out, no. Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:56:47 PM 951 Views
I don't want to argue with you on a Sunday, my religion says I have to relax. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:03:54 PM 940 Views
key word: seem damookster - 22/08/2010 09:06:40 PM 875 Views
I was only using that term for you guys. I don't feel like beating you with a rolling pin until you nossy - 22/08/2010 09:14:39 PM 758 Views
good thing damookster - 22/08/2010 09:39:52 PM 1157 Views
Seems I interpret his speech on the iftar differently from you and Tash - see my reply to Tash. *NM* Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:25:13 PM 512 Views
Saw it, and yes, I believe we disagree. nossy - 22/08/2010 09:29:31 PM 779 Views
he could have and should have stayed out random thoughts - 22/08/2010 09:57:57 PM 898 Views
I think he's certainly got rhetoric talents... Legolas - 22/08/2010 08:54:11 PM 1326 Views
You don't really seem like you're taking a side to me. TaskmasterJack - 22/08/2010 09:14:02 PM 981 Views
I'm not even taking the time to comment on something so obvious as what he did. *NM* everynametaken - 22/08/2010 02:53:10 AM 497 Views
Except, of course, that you just did. Joel - 22/08/2010 12:30:00 PM 894 Views
Joel Roland00 - 22/08/2010 05:37:45 AM 1078 Views
That last line was golden. *NM* Ghavrel - 22/08/2010 05:40:56 AM 460 Views
His phrasing in the first speech implied that it was a bad idea. But legally they have the right. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 06:32:59 AM 994 Views
nonsense damookster - 22/08/2010 03:39:30 PM 935 Views
I still don't see how it can be misinterpreted except by intent by the listener. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 04:08:52 PM 914 Views
so we have reached the point of no return... damookster - 22/08/2010 04:18:46 PM 923 Views
In your case it would have to be number 2. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 07:38:20 PM 896 Views
ah, but I have no agenda here... damookster - 22/08/2010 07:41:59 PM 729 Views
lol.<3 nossy - 22/08/2010 08:49:35 PM 905 Views
that it is... damookster - 22/08/2010 08:57:05 PM 915 Views
hee. Well, I still don't agree with you, but at least you're snuggly.^_^ *NM* nossy - 22/08/2010 09:09:22 PM 675 Views
Tash you are very much a fair person in this world Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:34:38 PM 1000 Views
Or there is another option: 3) He was using tact. Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:01:49 PM 933 Views
I really have to disagree with your interpretation of that first speech. Legolas - 22/08/2010 09:22:32 PM 1195 Views
On the off chance that this: Vodalus - 23/08/2010 12:38:48 AM 1094 Views
I do remember your reply... damookster - 23/08/2010 02:57:29 AM 1324 Views
Lies, prevarication and deceit again, eh? Joel - 22/08/2010 01:17:45 PM 1387 Views
that was a decent explanation.... damookster - 22/08/2010 05:18:18 PM 837 Views
Thanks. Joel - 22/08/2010 05:41:28 PM 899 Views
I do feel bad for them Roland00 - 22/08/2010 08:40:36 PM 798 Views
Re: Joel nossy - 22/08/2010 07:53:51 PM 949 Views
Agreed. *NM* Camilla - 22/08/2010 08:25:38 PM 561 Views
In the interests of fairness ( this does not support or detract from my position), here is the full Tashmere - 22/08/2010 09:22:50 PM 1141 Views
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