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Re: The word used for "sin" in the New Testament is ἁμαρτία, which means "to miss the mark." Zalis Send a noteboard - 31/08/2010 10:29:16 PM
Concepts of sin as an actual metaphysical entity are incorrect.


I admit to not knowing where you're coming from on the topic, but that sounds accurate. Sure, sin isn't a lump of black goo residing on the human heart, but the issue remains just as important. We cannot backpedal on the fact that we, as humans, need Christ's payment for our sins. We hopelessly and indefinitely miss that mark, and are completely incapable of relating to a Holy God without Jesus. He is the one who paid the necessary price, and henceforth acts as our one and only mediator between God and man.

Point being, we need Him and Christianity without Him is not Christianity. (as the Bible displays it) It otherwise exists as moralistic, therapeutic Deism, which is of no saving value. I see far too many young Christians thinking the idea of a nice guy, believe-whatever-you-want, hippy Jesus is supposed to mean something. (and I say that as a young Christian, comparatively)

I still recommend the ministries I mentioned in the previous reply. They're also known as Desiring God (John Piper's) and Mars Hill Church (Mark Driscoll) in Seattle. Good stuff.
The sword might be grateful to the forge fire, but never fond of it.
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